City election results [Archive]

shotgun

03-02-2010, 11:13 PM

Daisy you're correct congratulation to all those who took the time to run a race!

A special CONGRATULATION to Art Sandoval.

A special thank you for those who served in the past and good luck for all the new members elected to office. I hope they'll do a great job or they'll be looking in the rear view mirror next election.:smk1:

Daisy

03-02-2010, 11:56 PM

Congratulations, Del.......now we'll see what you can do.... :)

Jurney Ousts LaGrone (http://www.roswell-record.com/)

mfish

03-03-2010, 06:20 AM

For those who refuse to "log on" to the RDR and don't buy the paper, this is good site for statewide election results:

http://www.kob.com/index.shtml

kralspaces

03-03-2010, 06:58 AM

Thanks Fish. I notice that Alamogordo passed a GRT increase for Econ Dev. with only 12% of the registered voters. Less than 5,000 people voted in the Roswell city elections. Sad...

saw

03-03-2010, 11:15 AM

The 2006 city election had a turnout of 6698 and this one had only 4993.
Sam got 3646 votes in the 2006 race compared to 2304 this time.Del got 1280 votes in the 2006 race compared to 2490 this time.

The 2006 election had a turnout of 26.3% of the registered voters.

Looks like the city is growing fast.

oladcock

03-03-2010, 11:40 AM

"The 2006 election had a turnout of 26.3% of the registered voters."

Good! Let's raise the taxes on those that did not vote by 200%, I'll bet they'll turn out next time! :)....O.L.

shotgun

03-03-2010, 11:40 AM

VERY sad Roswell didn't have a larger turnout. The voters did send a strong message, OUT with the incumbents, I believe this will be true in all races, June thru November! Perry cannot be counted as an incumbent since he served a very short time, along with the fact he ran a race without any opposition. Fosters race was much of the same, no opposition! Good luck to everyone, the eyes of Roswell are watching you. :smk1:

oladcock

03-03-2010, 11:43 AM

"Perry cannot be counted as an incumbent since he served a very short time, along with the fact he ran a race without any opposition. Fosters race was much of the same, no opposition!"

And then we had 2 or 3 very good candidates in ward II. Sounds like folks in other wards need to step up....O.L.

ltccuster

03-03-2010, 03:32 PM

Billy came close but Craig had all the big name endosements incl fellow lawyers incl the outgoing Ward II councilor Lee Rogers. Watch Craig! He'll want to keep the status quo in city hall.

Del was a surprise because the same local political machine wanted Lagrone back in incl that expensive city hall bunch with 2 assistant city mgrs, double dippers and a paid consultant. Huge part of our city budget for that bunch. OK Del ... tackle these city hall problems. Time to walk-the-walk. Talk to Tom Jennings. Host a retirement party for Capps to start off with. Good luck!

Still have those deadbeat retrurns from the last election. Judy Stubbs would like to be mayor and may challenge Del next time. Bob Maples, Steve Henderson, etc.

Turnout was pathetic and confirms again voter apathy in Roswell. Less than 5,000 is appr. 10% of the population if you believe population is 50,000. 1/2 of those 5,000, or 2,501 voters (5%) decide whi is mayor. Individual wards turnout pathetic also especially for a mayor race. That apathy is why the city hall gang stays in office.

Once again we have met the enemy and he is us.

Daisy

03-03-2010, 03:44 PM

You're right, Billy was close - only 82 votes difference. I don't think a lot of people knew that Craig is one of the 'gang'.

There's also the fact that four people were running for that seat. The result might have been different if it had been just the two of them.

The people who voted (pitiful turnout that it was) proved that they didn't want business as usual here in Roswell. The incumbents whose seats will be up for grabs in two years are probably just a bit nervous right about now. They ought to be.....

I wish we could figure out how to get more people out to vote - they seem to forget how much of a privilege and how very important it is! :no1:

mfish

03-03-2010, 04:36 PM

What Mr. Craig will have to live with is the fact that far more people voted AGAINST him than voted for him.

Had this been a two person race, I truly think Wood would have won handily, and I's be real curious what the motivation was behind the other two candidates' decisions to run for this seat ...

Also, Del Jurney better grow pair REAL QUICK and figure out that he only has a very small window of opportunity to relieve Mr. Capps of his duties - and if he thinks for a minute that he can muster "council consensus" for this task, he really hasn't learned too much over the past decade or so. Right now, he has the PEOPLE behind him - so he needs to pull that trigger, or learn to live with more of the same and become a pretty ineffective mayor. The ball is in his court, but the clock is TICKING.

Daisy

03-03-2010, 05:52 PM

You have mentioned that 'small window of opportunity' before. I and others have been told that the mayor can't remove the city manager at any time without a vote from the council. We all know Jurney doesn't have that majority vote.

I'm not doubting what you say, but how do we find out that it can be done, on the first day only, by the mayor. Is it written somewhere? I would think it would have to be.

I'm not sure Jurney would do it even if he could (I wish he would); but I sure would like to know, for a fact, that it could be done without a council vote.

oladcock

03-03-2010, 07:23 PM

"but how do we find out that it can be done,"

This is why we need a charter. I've been all over the Roswell city web site, no where can I find the "rules" under which our Mayor and council acts under. State rules/laws? Ok, there ought to be a link on that web site. Finances and budget? What they show is a joke. You'd almost think they they want it that way? :meh:.....O.L.

Daisy

03-03-2010, 07:51 PM

You'd almost think they they want it that way?

Almost.....**laugh**.....good one!! The good ol' boys and girls don't want citizens to know what really goes on, don't want to be questioned on any issue, and don't want to be held accountable for anything they do.

It has worked well for them for a long time, but that time is coming to an end; the voters and citizens of Roswell have declared their desire for accountable and ethical leadership.

I'm so excited about this new batch of elected officials, I'm gonna make a point of attending the Council meetings again. I hope a lot of you will do the same! I have high hopes for all you newly elected guys!!

I got so disgusted with LaGrone at the last meeting I attended that I never went back. His behavior was deplorable...

mcwilliams293

03-03-2010, 08:28 PM

mcwilliams293

03-03-2010, 08:31 PM

Everyone please go to www.575magazine.com to see a better write up on candidate quotes after they found out if they were elected. I think you can figure out who will be for the people and those that will be for the good ol boys club. Thanks to everyone that got out to vote, now tell your friends and neighbors to get out to vote next time, in city and county elections their vote actually counts.

Also if anyone has a facebook page please make me your friend as I also have a group page under friends of Robert "Rob" McWilliams for city council. also my email address is mcwilliams293@yahoo.com, please email your questions, comments, suggestions and anything else that you want me to know.

Daisy

03-03-2010, 08:58 PM

Thanks for the link, Robert - that was a good article, too.

Sandoval is still on his 'protect the illegals' kick, I see. That sure does tick me off. I'm just glad Oropesa didn't get elected....

I like what you said in both articles and hope you can turn over rocks and look under bushes to find out what's actually happening to the taxpayer's money.

Good luck to you and if TRAC can help with anything, please let us know. :smk3:

mfish

03-04-2010, 06:05 AM

Go talk to Tom Jennings. Or maybe Larry Fry.

Neil

03-04-2010, 10:51 AM

Everyone please go to www.575magazine.com to see a better write up on candidate quotes after they found out if they were elected. I think you can figure out who will be for the people and those that will be for the good ol boys club. Thanks to everyone that got out to vote, now tell your friends and neighbors to get out to vote next time, in city and county elections their vote actually counts.

First and foremost. Congratulations Rob. Sorry you had to leave the PD and go to the SO because of political pressure :sly:

mcwilliams293

03-04-2010, 01:56 PM

oladcock

03-04-2010, 04:27 PM

Congrats Rob, It was sure good meeting you and I like your attitude and gumption. We need your wife to run for state senator against Jennings! Hint Hint! :)...O.L.

shotgun

03-04-2010, 04:39 PM

Daisy. what do you mean by this statement? I never heard him say anything about protecting illegals?
Sandoval is still on his 'protect the illegals' kick, I see. That sure does tick me off. I'm just glad Oropesa didn't get elected....

Daisy

03-04-2010, 04:48 PM

This is from the 575magazine.com article that Rob (mcwilliams293) linked in his post. I've been to a few of the meetings and heard Father Juan, Oropesa and others talk about how bad the Police are for 'targeting' Hispanics while looking for illegals. Sandoval agrees with them.

Maybe you read this differently than I did?

"Sandoval said it was a great honor to go back on the City Council. He thanked his supporters and campaign contributors.
He said he wanted to continue working with the Police Department, specifically working with Police Chief Rob Smith to develop a policy “that would protect all the citizens” including immigrants, no matter what their immigration status."

oladcock

03-04-2010, 05:18 PM

"He said he wanted to continue working with the Police Department, specifically working with Police Chief Rob Smith to develop a policy “that would protect all the citizens” including immigrants, no matter what their immigration status."

Yep, if that's the policy, that's BS. Set a precedence for what laws we want to enforce and those we don't?......O.L.

mcwilliams293

03-04-2010, 07:36 PM

Yes, I disagree with what Art Sandoval stated when he won the election, I am sorry that Mexico is in poor condition and a state of total unrest, but as Americans we don't tolerate criminals and the fact is that they are criminals once they pass the border and enter illegally. I know that there are a lot of Illegals in this country, they should not expect to remain here if they are stopped by police for what ever infraction they did and it is learned they are here illegally, its the price they pay for breaking the law just as Americans are subject to penalties for breaking the laws here and any other countries we visit or choose to live in.
I for one will be looking to remove any policy at the police department that gives any undocumented or illegal immigrant free reign from the penalties of the law that American Citizens have to obey.

Daisy

03-04-2010, 08:35 PM

I agree with your stand on that. I thought that's what the illegal part of illegal immigrants meant......against the law. But leaving one of the meetings, I heard someone from the Police Department (don't know who he was) say to another man, 'The problem is that it's not a crime to be here illegally'.

What kind of BS double talk is THAT?? :sly:

Scott

03-04-2010, 08:38 PM

Neil, Thanks but I am going to a better place that will allow me to do actual law enforcement and not just be pressured into writing a certain number of traffic citations every month while the criminals continue to burglarize this town, I will actually patrol and to look for criminals and not just speeders.

Seriously? **laugh** Whatever.

There has been a rash of burglaries out in the county at the far end of Counrty Club. 20-30 in the very recent past as I understand it. Maybe you should start there.

Daisy

03-05-2010, 06:52 AM

What Mr. Craig will have to live with is the fact that far more people voted AGAINST him than voted for him.

Had this been a two person race, I truly think Wood would have won handily, and I'd be real curious what the motivation was behind the other two candidates' decisions to run for this seat ...

I got to thinking about that, myself, and then went back and read about the candidates again.

Thomas Felber raised and spent less than $50 for his 'campaign'. (RDR) Doesn't sound like he was actually serious about this race, does it?

I have to wonder why he ran at all...:shifty:

kralspaces

03-05-2010, 08:01 AM

Daisy, would be nice to know the reference of your quote...

Lytle's intentions were good but his timing was bad. He needs to get involved with the programs that he recommended as a citizen first.

As for Felber, I suspect he and his coffee buddies just wanted to shake things up. I'm glad he didn't decide to do that in the Mayor's race.

Daisy

03-05-2010, 08:13 AM

Daisy, would be nice to know the reference of your quote...

I quoted from a post on page one if you want to look it up. I prefer to use just the quotes...

As for Felber, I suspect he and his coffee buddies just wanted to shake things up.

It's pretty obvious Felber wasn't really interested in winning, so the only way he could have shaken things up was to draw votes away from other candidates.....and he obviously did just that. Not cool....:no3:

RPDDC

03-05-2010, 10:11 AM

Everyone please go to www.575magazine.com to see a better write up on candidate quotes after they found out if they were elected. I think you can figure out who will be for the people and those that will be for the good ol boys club. Thanks to everyone that got out to vote, now tell your friends and neighbors to get out to vote next time, in city and county elections their vote actually counts.

Rob, I checked your quotes in the 575magazine. I might recommend you check your facts before you make such statements. The city did not pay for any airline tickets for any police applicant.

Billy Wood

03-06-2010, 11:08 PM

Some have been asking about the City Election Results they are -> (here (http://www.talkroswell.org/))

Daisy

03-08-2010, 02:16 PM

Thanks, Billy!! I was looking for those myself a couple days ago.

There are some hot and heavy rumors flying around about people who may be resigning or retiring - they're all just rumors as of now, so I won't repeat any of them. It's gonna be an interesting next couple of weeks!

I hope a lot of people go to the City Council meeting on Thursday night to show support for those newly elected city officials! :smk3:

saw

03-08-2010, 06:57 PM

It is now official now, the citizens of Roswell have a new mayor. The old mayor was not there to wish the new mayor good luck or anything like that. I understand that the old mayor has not talked to the new mayor since the election.

Daisy

03-08-2010, 10:21 PM

The old mayor was not there to wish the new mayor good luck or anything like that. I understand that the old mayor has not talked to the new mayor since the election.

Shame on the old mayor! He is probably still in a state of shock and disbelief...and apparently, anger. Someone ought to explain to him how a gracious loser is supposed to behave, huh?

TerryCat

03-09-2010, 12:17 AM

I agree Daisy. And Sonny Espinoza's letter to the editor on Sunday was disgraceful.
He lost, he didn't work as hard as Art. Mr. Sandoval and his family knocked on every door that they could, up until the last minute! At the very least wish Art well.
I deplore bad manners. :no1:

Daisy

03-09-2010, 07:10 AM

For some reason, I didn't get a Sunday paper, so I didn't read Espinoza's letter. I didn't find it on the RDR website, either - it should be there with the others!!

It sounds like it must have been a sour grapes letter - can someone tell me a little bit of what it said? Just curious.

I do know that Espinoza walked door to door, because my parents had a visit from him. They didn't see Sandoval.

In any case, there is always a winner and a loser in elections. If those who lost really had Roswell's best interest at heart, they would be supporting those who won - instead of moaning and groaning that they lost. It seems that they are only thinking of themselves, which may have something to do with the fact that they were not voted back in.

ralf

03-09-2010, 05:48 PM

In looking at the comments posted, one thing that is a common theme is the situation with Mr. Capps. Any changes to his position has to be a majority vote of the council and it has to be at the meeting on Thursday from what I understand. So NOW IS THE TIME to not quit. Call your councilor and let them know what you think about the Capps issue and remind them they work for you if they are new or incumbent. If we do not let them know we meant what we said during the forum and in our general conversations, then we will be partly responsible for the outcome. Look how the election worked! People want change and if Mr. Capps is part of that change or any of the senior staff, then now is not to quit the momentum. I plan to let the councilors I know hear what I think and hope they will listen to not only me but the voters that were heard and showed what they wanted with the election.
Julie

shotgun

03-09-2010, 05:49 PM

Daisy.well said, Espinoza lost the election, he needs to man up and get over it, let the city move forward!:smk3:

shotgun

03-09-2010, 06:24 PM

Shame on the old mayor! He is probably still in a state of shock and disbelief...and apparently, anger. Someone ought to explain to him how a gracious loser is supposed to behave, huh?

Daisy if you think shame on the mayor for not showing up at city hall, what about, Nora Espinoza NOT showing up for the special session in Santa Fe? SHAME on her too:no1:

Daisy

03-09-2010, 06:36 PM

I didn't know she wasn't there - do you know why??

Daisy

03-09-2010, 06:41 PM

Call your councilor and let them know what you think about the Capps issue and remind them they work for you if they are new or incumbent.

Good idea, Julie.....ralf. Call or email your Councilors and tell them what you think! :smk3: The meeting is day after tomorrow.

shotgun

03-09-2010, 06:54 PM

Daisy, Word around Roswell is every year Nora Espinoza plans a vacation with her mother who lives in Florida to go to there homeland in Panama. Sonny went to join her after his big loss in the city race to Sandoval. I guess the state business and paying more food taxes and lack of funds in this state is not important to her. Does anyone else know about this? Change is good! :smk2:

kralspaces

03-09-2010, 07:03 PM

Our local state legislators voted against ALL the tax increases. Espinoza deserves a vacation after having to put up with those idiots up north.

Daisy

03-09-2010, 07:04 PM

Daisy, Word around Roswell is every year Nora Espinoza plans a vacation with her mother who lives in Florida to go to there homeland in Panama.

Hmm, nothing wrong with a family vacation, but it certainly could have been timed better...

By the way, a friend of mine read me the letter to the editor by Sonny Espinoza and I didn't really see anything wrong with it except it would have been nice if he had congratulated Art Sandoval on his victory.

shotgun

03-09-2010, 07:20 PM

Our local state legislators voted against ALL the tax increases. Espinoza deserves a vacation after having to put up with those idiots up north.

ARE YOU FOR REAL?? Espinoza didn't vote, she didn't attend the VERY IMPORTANT special session! I'd say it's time to vote her out and put a person in office who cares about the people. I agree everyone should have a vacation, lets give her a very long vacation in November and put someone in office for the people.:smk1:

Neil

03-10-2010, 07:04 AM

saw

03-10-2010, 07:29 PM

I have a copy of the Agenda for the City Council Meeting tomorrow. It does not indicate it will be the organizational meeting.

According to NM Statute 3-8-33 "H. The newly elected officials of the governing body who have taken office, the elected officials of the governing body whose terms have not expired and the elected officials of the governing body whose successors have not taken office shall meet not earlier than the sixth day after the election or later than the twenty-first day after the election for an organizational meeting. Such a meeting may be a special meeting or a regular meeting of the governing body."

NM Statute 3-11-5 states "A. At the organizational meeting of the governing body, which shall be scheduled pursuant to Section 3-8-33 NMSA 1978 of the Municipal Election Code, the mayor shall submit, for confirmation by the governing body, the names of persons who shall be employed by the municipality. If the governing body fails to confirm any person as an appointive official or employee of the municipality, the mayor at the next regular meeting of the governing body shall submit the name of another person to fill the appointed office or to be employed by the municipality."

Looks like tomorrow night will be business as usual with the exception that City Council Committee Appointments will be made.

Daisy

03-10-2010, 08:54 PM

So, are you thinking nothing will be done about Capps and we're gonna be stuck with him as our city manager for who knows how much longer?? If they don't call a special organizational meeting, next month's meeting will be too late...

saw

03-10-2010, 09:15 PM

No, that's not my thought. You can't do anything about it before the 6th day, and there's 21 days after the election to do something. I would think a regular City Council Meeting would be the worst time to do the organizational meeting. My thought is for everyone to just sit tight for a couple of weeks and express your concerns to your City Councilors in the meantime, because they are the ones that will make the final decisions. I guarantee you John Capps will be a major focus item in the very near future, or he could do everyone a big favor and resign.

Daisy

03-10-2010, 09:27 PM

Ahh, I hope you're right.....when you said tomorrow night's meeting would be "business as usual", it kinda freaked me out! :pinch:

kralspaces

03-11-2010, 06:26 AM

It will be business as usual. Elena and Bob will vote against the liquor license request... again. Let's all see how the new members will vote.

saw

03-11-2010, 12:23 PM

This is what I think; If Capps wants to keep his job he is seeking support from the city councilors even as we speak.

This is how I see things, councilors Henderson, Maples, and Craig are already on his side. Councilors Huckabee and McWilliams want to see him go.

Councilors Perry and Foster, who knows?

Then we have left Stubbs, Sandoval, and Velasquez left from the old school.

The only way to get rid of Capps if he wants to stay is for the residents of Roswell to convince their councilors to not support him.

The Mayor has to have at least five councilors to support his move.

Now is the time to get on the horn with the councilors and your friends to support the Mayor efforts to replace Capps.

shotgun

03-11-2010, 02:18 PM

I think the smartest thing is to do an evaluation along with a new vision plan of action as to the direction the city want to go, then at that time announce the new admin leadership team. It might be very smart to first check the law as to how Capps can be replaced without anyone bringing a lawsuit on the city.

saw

03-11-2010, 06:32 PM

Check post #54. This is the state statute that the city is governed by and it indicates how you replace Capps without a lawsuit but it has to be done during that time frame (no sooner than six days, no later than 21 days).

The city council can allow a city election that will enable the city to adopt a city charter and then they might do something as you suggest.

shotgun

03-11-2010, 06:51 PM

SAW, Thank you for the info. So what do you think will happen, do the new members know about this and if so will they speak on it tonight?:nerves:

saw

03-11-2010, 09:20 PM

There will be an organizational meeting one week from tonight. I believe the time was set at 5:30 PM.

All of you citizens of Roswell that thinks it is time for Capps to go needs to contact your two councilmen and express your concerns.

Then you need to contact your friends and let them know it is time for Capps to go.

The Mayor has to have the support of at least five councilmen to get this change made.

Daisy

03-11-2010, 09:33 PM

Yep, I thought of you when Mayor Jurney announced the organizational meeting - you sure called that one right!!

That meeting will be at 5:30, March 18 - next Thursday.

ltccuster

03-12-2010, 03:37 PM

I agree Capps needs to go. He is the root cause for many city problems in my opinion. However, my two councilmen are Steve Henderson, a long-time city hall crony who is very close to Capps, and Craig who I don't believe would support this judging from those who endorsed his campaign. Stubbs and Maples would likely oppose this as well.

I believe the mayor has the right not to reappoint Capps. Tom Jennings did that. Without majority support from the council I don't think they can terminate Capps. He retained an atty when Jennings tried this and the city ended up paying that tab.

If Del can get majority support from the council he might discreetly advise Capps of that prior to the appt. meeting and allow him to resign on his own.
NEXT are the asst city mgrs and consultant (s).

Neil

03-13-2010, 08:24 AM

Everyone seems to agree that the City would be far better off without Mr. Capps. But who, if anyone would replace him.
Does Roswell really need a City manager?

Robert

03-13-2010, 09:31 AM

I do believe that a city of this size would certainly benefit from having a city manager. Capps absolutely needs to go and his replacement needs to be somebody who has not been entrenched in this cities governmemt for years. If you replace Capps with say Fry or Cooper you are right back into the same position you were. Advertise the position and take resumes and see who is interested.

Daisy

03-13-2010, 09:35 AM

From what I understand, the Mayor only has 21 days after the election to find a suitable person to appoint. Then, that person has to be approved by a majority vote from the Council. If that person is not approved, the Mayor has to have another qualified person to appoint.

That doesn't give the Mayor a lot of time to find a qualified person to replace the current City Manager.

I don't even know what the qualifications for a City Manager would be....:confused:

Lebo

03-13-2010, 12:26 PM

The mayor can appoint a temporary replacement for Capps while they search for a replacement.

Daisy

03-13-2010, 12:53 PM

Thanks, Lebo - that's good to know! :)

saw

03-24-2010, 08:35 PM

Some campaign expenses to mull around. These are the total expenses through 2/25/10.

Sam LaGrone spent $23,467.00 and got 2304 votes.
Del Journey spent $6,647.00 and got 2490 votes
Art Sandoval spent $10,877.00 and got 574 votes
Jimmy Craig spent $3,205.00 and got 778 votes
Marilyn Manatt spent $4,766.00 and got 315 votes
Billy Wood spent $3,305.00 and got 696 votes
Jason Perry spent $1,198.00 and got 591 votes
Dusty Huchabee spent $3,934.00 and got 365 votes

A lot of bucks were spent to get just 4993 voters to turn out and vote.

These reports in detail should be available soon at the web site of the Secretary of State.

saw

04-05-2010, 12:55 PM

Some more stuff;
$62,414.00 was spent on this race while $33,524.00 was spent on the 2006 race.

55% of the $62,414 was spent by just two candidates.

4993 Roswell citizens cast their vote in 2010 while 6555 cast their vote in 2006

The cost per vote for 2010 was $12.50 while in 2006 it was $5.11

36 contributors donated 40% of the total amount contributed.

Marilyn Manatt had the most contributors. (in numbers, not in dollars)

It looks like the big bucks spent did not bring out the voters.