Teague v. Pearce

[Jim]

Can we do a poll on who favors Rep. Harry Teague versus former Rep. Steve Pearce who reportedly will run against Teague for his old seat in Congress?

What has Teague done for Roswell or his district? Veterans seem to be tilting towards Pearce.

Same question, what did Pearce do for Roswell or Roswell veterans during his past term?

Any other known candidates for this position?

[oladcock]

"Any other known candidates for this position?"

Cliff Pirtle is running as well. Nice young fellow with no political experience. Very conservative. We'll talk more about the other two! :)....O.L.

[pdc]

It's a three-term incumbent vs. A one-term incumbent

Pearce was a Dubya Ditto Head who hss to deal with the multiple failures of that administration - his campaign has already adopted the marketing posture "New Blood"???? (he's actually older than Teague, BTW)

Teague is a liberal who supported cap & trade, but opposed health care reform - he has maintained a high visibility & public access, and supported veterans & related issues....

The kid, Pirtle, is an inexperienced unknown, with Tea Party rhetoric....

Both Teague & Pearce are capable of funding their campaigns, as necessary....

I really donlt see a candidate worth supporting at this point.

[kralspaces]

I think Teague's fate rest in how he votes the rest of this year. He blew it on Cap and Trade and did the right thing on the Health Plan for this part of the country. Now for the true test...

[oladcock]

"and did the right thing on the Health Plan for this part of the country."

Only because he didn't have to.

There is another fellow running as well, Sena I think is his name. I'll see if I can find more info.

"The kid, Pirtle, is an inexperienced unknown, with Tea Party rhetoric...."

Yep, smaller government, less taxes, accountability, asking for ethical conduct from our elected officials....That's Tea Party rhetoric and why the left hates it so much. Sena, Pearce, and Pirtle have all been and spoke at rallies......O.L.

[Jim]

What veteran related isues has Teague supported? Local vets met with Pearce at the VFW and seem to favor him.

I e-mail Teague and just get back those canned pre-programmed replies that he's too busy to answer but acknowledges rec'ing it. What happened to his local office and rep? Some girl from Las Cruces called me in his office there.

I'm keeping my options open but Teague hasn't impressed me.

[pdc]

Yep, smaller government, less taxes, accountability, asking for ethical conduct from our elected officials....That's Tea Party rhetoric and why the left hates it so much. Sena, Pearce, and Pirtle have all been and spoke at rallies......O.L.
For the record, I don't harbor any ill feeling about the core Tea Party agenda (I believe people can respectfully disagree); OTOH, I do have serious issues and concerns with the fringe elements that associate with the Tea Party demonstrations....

OL. I just don't see how anyone can look at the Pearce/Bush Administration record, and find anything other than rhetorical connection with the Tea Party agenda.

I've suggested that Republicans (nationally) are intent on co-opting the Tea party supporters for their own (R) electoral gains - they have been pretty good with that strategy over the past 30 years. Pearce would appear to be a textbook example of that, as far as I can see....

But, I doubt that any Tea Party activist voted for Teague in the first place, so the Tea Parties probably don't make a fig of difference to the current polling, nor on election day....

[oladcock]

pdc,

"I've suggested that Republicans (nationally) are intent on co-opting the Tea party supporters for their own (R) electoral gains - they have been pretty good with that strategy over the past 30 years. Pearce would appear to be a textbook example of that, as far as I can see...."

I agree 100%, and we're smart enough to see that. I've told the leadership many times I'll pick the better choice IMO during the primaries no matter who their favorite child is. Look at the run John McCain is up against and Crist (sp?) in Fl...Getting help and being favored by the "party" won't get them elected. If a third party runs that's a better choice and splits the vote, so be it. Until the republicans stop running RINO's they deserve to lose.

"OTOH, I do have serious issues and concerns with the fringe elements that associate with the Tea Party demonstrations...."

There are fringe elements on both sides. To date the only violence that has occured at townhalls or Tea Party rallies has been from those on the left, not the Tea Party folks. All the claims you hear from the alphabet propaganda media are outright lies and distortions straight out of the socialist/Marxist play book. In this day and age of cell phone cameras and they can't come up with a single damning photo or sound bite, you know it's BS. They play the race card when they are losing the arguement on merits and facts. The latest is the sedition card. No one is advocating the over throw of our government, just fixing the one we got! The ones attempting to over throw this country is those on the left, including Obama through evolution instead of revolution.

"OL. I just don't see how anyone can look at the Pearce/Bush Administration record, and find anything other than rhetorical connection with the Tea Party agenda."


I agree...Most rallies don't invite declared candidates or those currently in office. They do locally and that's OK, we've been fed a line for so long it's easier to recognize the BS. Remember I'm the one getting ticked off phone calls from republicans! LOL I don't know enough about Pearce's past record to make up my mind yet. Bush is a progressive in conservative clothing. Pearce at least used to be but it's possible people mature and evolve in their beliefs. But I don't give that possiblity much hope...Leopards don't change their spots, as many who voted for Obama found out.

" I doubt that any Tea Party activist voted for Teague in the first place,"

I wouldn't bet on that, many voted party line dragging reps and senators with Obama. Nationally 40-50% of the Tea Party folks are registered Democrat or Independant........O.L.

[Coyote69]

I'll take Pirtle anyday. Pearce was there when W needed votes to do a "stimulus" going. Teague is being led around by a leash with her majaisty Pelosi.
If it aint in the constitution, it is not allowed. PERIOD. We have GOT to get back to that.

[pdc]

I wouldn't bet on that, many voted party line dragging reps and senators with Obama. Nationally 40-50% of the Tea Party folks are registered Democrat or Independant........O.L.
I don't think that those percentages can be supported by reliable data - a lot of demographic information on Tea Party sympathizers has been released in the last month, and I have not seen anything approaching this....

The highest percentage I saw was 33%. Have you access do different data?

[oladcock]

I hear ya..I dismiss anything other than Pew or Rasmussen and Pew is questionable sometimes. So much depends on the questions asked and what filters it's processed through. Here's one:

http://www.memeorandum.com/100405/p21#a100405p21

It's hard for either side to get folks off the couch so when they ask how many have participated, the numbers are low. But when asked about specifices like taxes, spending, etc...The numbers agreeing with the Tea Parties message is way up there in the 70% range. Keep in mind the Tea Parties is not a "party" at all like "D" or "R". All I want is reps with principles that aren't wishywashy middle of the road for sale to the highest bidder. Which Teague is and most likely Pearce as well....O.L.

[oladcock]

For anyone wanting to look at Pearce's voting record...O.L.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/p000588/votes/

[Chuck Russell]

Teague over Pearce, by all means. I'm not thrilled with Teague, but at least he has done things for veterans.

I stopped reading John Taylors column in RDR about 4 months after I got here in 2004. In the column he praised Pearce for attending a meeting in Las Cruces. BIG DEAL. As far as I can tell, Pearce never did anything for the vets while he was in office.

If Taylor had a provocative title for the column I might browse it. Taylor's last 2 columns were were unabashed campaigning for Pearce and bashing Teague. I still think Pearce is a nothing.

[oladcock]

"Pearce never did anything for the vets while he was in office."

If you go through the voting record above, Pearce never voted against any vet bills, and there were a lot of them. Not pushing Pearce, just want the record straight....O.L.

[Jim]

I don't think a record of not voting against veteran bills is a ringing endorsement for Pearce. Has Teague done any better?

Several veteran group leaders, incl the head of the Marine Corps League, met with Pearce recently at the VFW. I'm trying to find something either of then has done for Roswell veterans or why either of them have earned our vote.

John Taylor is a veterans'advocate who has helped many vets. He's entitled to his political preferences as we all are. He's the commander of the Veterans Honor Guard. He volunteers much of his time to that. Many vets call him with problems and he always tries to help. He was badly wounded in Vietnam. He still suffers from those many wounds. We're all free to read his column or not. I read it regularly. He's a good man.

[Chuck Russell]

Pearce was all passive about the vets. All he did was go to a few meetings in NM to hear the vets. Did he do anything about the bad deal the vets were getting? No.

At least Teague has initiated things. Perhaps 2 or 3 bills he was involved in were cosmetic, but the other 5 or 6 were of some significance.



"Pearce never did anything for the vets while he was in office."

If you go through the voting record above, Pearce never voted against any vet bills, and there were a lot of them. Not pushing Pearce, just want the record straight....O.L.

[Daisy]

I'll take Pirtle anyday.

Me too - I'm voting for the young whippersnapper with the nerve to challenge the incumbents. I like what Pirtle says and I hear he did well when he spoke in Santa Fe awhile back. I've met him a few times and he's seems to be a very nice guy with good conservative values.

[oladcock]

Chuck, "Pearce was all passive about the vets. All he did was go to a few meetings in NM to hear the vets. Did he do anything about the bad deal the vets were getting? No.

At least Teague has initiated things. Perhaps 2 or 3 bills he was involved in were cosmetic, but the other 5 or 6 were of some significance."

Welcome to universal health care! :)

I'll let you in on a little secret, I am a vet, but just as with anything government runs for "free", there are those that try to milk the system and bog things down for those that really are worthy of help. Take the horror stories with a grain of salt until all details are known. I personnally haven't seen Teague do anything that any other politician wouldn't have done. They are all self serving crooks, only a matter of degree....O.L.

[pdc]

If politicians are "all self-serving crooks", then, pointing out that fact 1) doesn't add any information about any individual politician, or 2) illuminate the choice between to incumbents...

... Meanwhile, in a related hot tip, "all bachelors are unmarried"....

[oladcock]

So I'm supposed to spoon feed you pdc? OK, you swallow if from the left. Here is some questionable dirt on Pearce, may be true, may not..Sounds like he was trying to actually bring jobs into NM and would help some of his big contributors. So Pearce is no doubt in bed with the oil companies...Right?

http://www.citizensforethics.org/taxonomy/term/1094

Teague is one of those EVIL rich people according to Obama. In the top 10 richest out of the 435 house members. How did he make his money? You got it....oil...Specifically small producers.

http://newmexicoindependent.com/37378/cap-and-trade-bill-has-small-refiners-%E2%80%98deeply-concerned%E2%80%99

He stated in front of 70 or so folks that had him literally cornered in Peppers last July, that he was going to vote against cap & trade until they got an ammendment through exempting small producers in SE NM. My arguement is if it's so flippin important there should be NO exemptions. Anyway, he's just as in bed and just as sleasy as the next one....O.L.

[pdc]

OL, I'm open to looking at particular information about any individual politician - and I readily admit that many politicians are, in fact, self-serving and/or corrupt. I just don't accept that "all politicians are self-serving, corrupt, crooks, etc.

Frankly, in Pearce's case, I myself don't need to know anything beyond his stated positions and political values to conclude that I would never vote for him.

However, that he would support expanded oil drilling in New Mexico should not be a surprise to anyone - he is an oil guy and openly stated his support for such positions. If you are somehow suggesting that his support for expanded oil drilling was a contingency attached by his oil crony donators, I just don't see how that case can be made....

And, if I recall correctly, most participants around here (and I think you, though I could be mistaken on that account) have actively supported the expansion of drilling, and less regulation of such, in New Mexico

[oladcock]

"And, if I recall correctly, most participants around here (and I think you, though I could be mistaken on that account) have actively supported the expansion of drilling, and less regulation of such, in New Mexico"

Oh absolutely I'm in favor of domestic production and I'm in favor of regulation that is reasonable and fair, as in what applies to one applies to all.

"all politicians are self-serving, corrupt, crooks, etc."

You're right, not ALL...I can only think of 2 or 3 out of 535 folks on the hill that I think has principles and brave enough to stand up and speak out. So that's very close to "all"! :)


Here is one thing that puzzles me...The left thumps it's chest as being the party for the disenfranchised, the poor, the down trodden, champion of the underdog...Yet they put into office the richest most power hungry politicians they can find? 8 of the top 10 richest are democrats and up to their necks with the biggest most powerful businesses. I just don't understand it.

I am for the underdog and will vote for Mr. Pirtle in the primary because he is closer to my background and beliefs than the others. He is the little guy..The underdog. Knowing full well he doesn't stand a chance in hell against either machine. If it comes down to Teague and Pearce, there's not much difference between them based upon their records. JMO.......O.L.

[Daisy]

The left thumps it's chest as being the party for the disenfranchised, the poor, the down trodden, champion of the underdog...

That reminded me of this quote:

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

I am for the underdog and will vote for Mr. Pirtle in the primary because he is closer to my background and beliefs than the others.

Yep, me too. If it comes down to Pearce and Teague, I probably won't vote for either one.

[shotgun]

Arizona Governor signing a tough-as-nails immigration measure. A good question for the Congressional candidates; How do they stand on this issue?:shoot:

[mfish]

Pearce is heads and shoulders better than Teague, in my opinion. Pearce should have never vacated the seat in the first place, in my opinion.

Teague showed his true colors on the "cap & trade" vote - and then again on the Obamacare fiasco when he waited in the wings to make sure his vote wasn't needed so he could cast a worthless "no" vote in order to be able to face his rather conservative base back home. Trust me - had they needed his vote, his would have been a "yes" vote - and they really didn't even need to buy it from him. It was there for the asking had it been necessary.

When Harold Runnels held that seat prior to Joe Skeen, Runnels was never a partisan - he voted as his constituency wanted him to vote for the most part. He was a pretty conservative "democrat," as were many back then. Teague should have taken a few pages out of Harold's playbook and he'd been able to successfully hold the seat for as long as he wished. But unfortunately, partisanship trumps the will of the people just about ALWAYS these days.

[Daisy]

Here are a couple of places to see how the candidates voted.

Pearce (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?year=2008&person=400313)

Teague (http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=102408)

[Chuck Russell]

In the Sunday, 4/25, P. A4, Teague has a piece called "Veterans need to be a priority". In it he talks about the different vets he has met and the various bills he is associated with such as:

Kyle Barthel Veterans and Service Members Mental Health Screening Act included in the National Defense Authorization Act and signed into law.

Bill for travel related health expenses was passed last week.

The Energy Jobs for Vets Act passed last month. It incentivizes hiring and job-training for the energy sector.

Hosted a House Veterans Affairs Health Subcommittee in Las Cruces so subcommittee members could hear vets directly.

Of course, getting any bills which are passed in the House signed into law is difficult because of an obstructionist 41 vote majority in the Senate.




[QUOTE=Jim;24024]I don't think a record of not voting against veteran bills is a ringing endorsement for Pearce. Has Teague done any better?

[oladcock]

"I don't think a record of not voting against veteran bills is a ringing endorsement for Pearce. Has Teague done any better?"

Again speaking as a vet, and as bad as the cap & trade would be for this country, I wouldn't care how much he did or tried to do for vets, if he contributes to taking the country down we fought for. Our oaths do not expire after service...O.L.

[rover]

Im stunned by all the Pearce bashing by you guys, never heard the like. Pearce was very helpful to all veterans asking for help, especially by his local office. John whatsisname worked his butt off and helped every veteran who came in regardless wheter he was a Dem or Repub. That's why Taylor, a strong Dem, likes him. With Pearce what you see is what you get, nothing false or 2-faced about him. Pearce is as conservative as they come. Only complaint about him from some might be he's too far to the right, suits me. Money from oil people, why not? Has to come from somewhere, campaigns are costly. Teague is a 2-faced double-nothing, takes his orders from Obama and Pelosi. Was for Cap & Trade. If he didn't vote for ObamaCare that was only because the Dems in DC let him off the hook because he whined it would lose him votes in NM. He made a deal with those crooked deal makers in DC. They promised just for him they'd EXEMPT the local doctor-owned hospital from the ObamaCare provision that sticks it to all the others like it in the country. Pure bribary for votes to get government control.

[Jim]

Maybe an as yet unnnanounced third candidate will show up.

[Jim]

Teague sent an e-mail saying he sponsored a Bill to block the automatic pay raise Congress has been getting since 1989 and it passed!? His e-mail said he had previously sponsored a Bill to reduce congressional pay by 5% (probably knowing it would never pass).

If he sponsored and Congress (House) passed a Bill to block their automatic pay raises thats a gold star fo Teague in my book.

[oladcock]

Yep, they're only bringing in 9-10K per month after taxes, that's a true sacrifice.

How many combat missions did Teague fly in Vietnam for $400 a month as Pearce did? Not bashing Teague as that was a good thing, better than nothing, but in the big picture it's lip stick......O.L.

[Jim]

Is Teague a veteran?

[oladcock]

"Is Teague a veteran? "

I don't think so. If he is it's not in his bio...O.L.

[kralspaces]

Just say 'No to the dough': http://www.youtube.com/user/RepresentativeTeague

[Jim]

Let's just have them settle it the old way. A duel at 30 paces. The last one standing gets elected. Thatll save us from having to hear all that political rhetoric and BS.

I think Pearce was drafted and somehow became a fighter pilot. I suppose Bush avoided the draft by becoming a fighter pilot in the Natl Guard. Cheney stayed in school and got 6 student defrernements so he could later send our troops into war and be an expert on military matters. Another armchair general.

Where's a grunt who had his a-- in the grass slogging thru those jungles?
That's the candidate I'd like to see.

[Chuck Russell]

Sounds like like gossip and rumor to me. How did Pearce 'actually try' to bring jobs...


So I'm supposed to spoon feed you pdc? OK, you swallow if from the left. Here is some questionable dirt on Pearce, may be true, may not..Sounds like he was trying to actually bring jobs into NM and would help some of his big contributors. So Pearce is no doubt in bed with the oil companies...Right?

http://www.citizensforethics.org/taxonomy/term/1094

Teague is one of those EVIL rich people according to Obama. In the top 10 richest out of the 435 house members. How did he make his money? You got it....oil...Specifically small producers.

http://newmexicoindependent.com/37378/cap-and-trade-bill-has-small-refiners-%E2%80%98deeply-concerned%E2%80%99

He stated in front of 70 or so folks that had him literally cornered in Peppers last July, that he was going to vote against cap & trade until they got an ammendment through exempting small producers in SE NM. My arguement is if it's so flippin important there should be NO exemptions. Anyway, he's just as in bed and just as sleasy as the next one....O.L.

[saw]

I know both of them and have for some time, my choice, Pierce!

[kralspaces]

Where's a grunt who had his a-- in the grass slogging thru those jungles?
That's the candidate I'd like to see.

My wife won't let me run for office.

[Chuck Russell]

Praising Pearce because he helped a few individuals is admirable but these are isolated instances. What has he done for all of the vets in District 2, or for that matter, all the vets in the US? Nothing that I know of.

I'm impressed that you know the difference between public hospitals and doctor owned hospitals as it relates to the health care bill. Most people don't know that further expansion of doctor owned hospitals were excluded from Medicare/Medicaid payments because of conflict of interest. If the doctor owns the hospital, you might assume that he'll order a CAT scan for a hangnail infection. Teague did bad on that one.

I can't believe that John Taylor is a Democrat. What makes you report that information?


Im stunned by all the Pearce bashing by you guys, never heard the like. Pearce was very helpful to all veterans asking for help, especially by his local office. John whatsisname worked his butt off and helped every veteran who came in regardless wheter he was a Dem or Repub. That's why Taylor, a strong Dem, likes him. With Pearce what you see is what you get, nothing false or 2-faced about him. Pearce is as conservative as they come. Only complaint about him from some might be he's too far to the right, suits me. Money from oil people, why not? Has to come from somewhere, campaigns are costly. Teague is a 2-faced double-nothing, takes his orders from Obama and Pelosi. Was for Cap & Trade. If he didn't vote for ObamaCare that was only because the Dems in DC let him off the hook because he whined it would lose him votes in NM. He made a deal with those crooked deal makers in DC. They promised just for him they'd EXEMPT the local doctor-owned hospital from the ObamaCare provision that sticks it to all the others like it in the country. Pure bribary for votes to get government control.

[oladcock]

"Where's a grunt who had his a-- in the grass slogging thru those jungles?
That's the candidate I'd like to see."

You got it Jim, Kral, they wouldn't want grunts up there anyway. They'd wear T-shirts saying "If I snap, you'll be the first to go!" Got to get me one of them!...O.L.:)

[kralspaces]

I'm impressed that you know the difference between public hospitals and doctor owned hospitals as it relates to the health care bill. Most people don't know that further expansion of doctor owned hospitals were excluded from Medicare/Medicaid payments because of conflict of interest. If the doctor owns the hospital, you might assume that he'll order a CAT scan for a hangnail infection. Teague did bad on that one.

RRH ordered a ct scan, but ENMMC changed it to a MRI because it shows more and cost more. In my case both hospitals were wrong and a lot of money was paid unnecessarily.

Dr. French met with Teague to get an amendment to remove Pete Starks's doctor own hospital stupidity. ENMMC charges more than RRH at almost every level. Corporate own or Doctor own really doesn't make a difference.

[Chuck Russell]

I got this E-mail from Teague a few days ago which I am free to share with you. I like it.

Yesterday, the House passed a bill to block the automatic pay raise that members of Congress were scheduled to receive in 2011. Members of Congress have been receiving an automatic pay raise since 1989 – it wasn’t until last year that we were finally able to do something about it when congressional leadership stopped the pay raise procedurally. This year, we actually got the House to take a vote on a bill to block the Pay Raise for 2011.

I was honored to both sponsor and speak in favor of this legislation on the House floor. To watch the video of my floor speech, please click here.

The economic crisis has hit New Mexicans hard and I think it is insulting that any member of congress would accept an automatic pay raise even as working New Mexicans struggle to make ends meet. We should all be tightening our belts during these tough economic times, members of Congress included.

Since coming to Congress, I have consistently opposed automatic pay raises for members of Congress. That is why, just after I took office in 2009, I proudly co-sponsored my first bill, a measure to block federal lawmakers from receiving automatic pay increases for the 2010 fiscal year. The measure was eventually adopted by Congressional leaders and the 2010 pay raise was eliminated.

I am proud of the progress we are making on this issue, but I intend to continue fighting against automatic pay raises. In fact, I recently sponsored a bill to cut congressional pay by 5%. This would be the first salary reduction for members of Congress since before World War II.

Sincerely,

Congressman Harry Teague

P.S. Please also feel free to forward this e-newsletter to friends and family.



Can we do a poll on who favors Rep. Harry Teague versus former Rep. Steve Pearce who reportedly will run against Teague for his old seat in Congress?

What has Teague done for Roswell or his district? Veterans seem to be tilting towards Pearce.

Same question, what did Pearce do for Roswell or Roswell veterans during his past term?

Any other known candidates for this position?

[Alfdom]

It will not matter what Teague voted for or against. The majority of the posters here have made up their minds to vote for Pearce and will use this thread to post negative things about Teague. The VFW and DAV track records of the votes that matter to them. Any one who was awake and read a newspaper should know Pearce's track record on voting for vets. Most do not care to know.

[pdc]

From an article in this morning's Abq Journal:

Teague, who ran his own oil industry business before being elected to Congress in 2008, also this week picked up a "Spirit of Enterprise Award" from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a group widely associated with conservative business principals.

"The chamber applauds Representative Teague for supporting the private sector and job growth through these difficult times," said Thomas J. Donohue, president and CEO of the U.S. Chamber. "He has demonstrated great courage, and we commend him."

Not a bad endorsement for a Democrat....

[Chuck Russell]

I tip my hat to you as a master of obfuscation and nonsense.


Chuck, "Pearce was all passive about the vets. All he did was go to a few meetings in NM to hear the vets. Did he do anything about the bad deal the vets were getting? No.

At least Teague has initiated things. Perhaps 2 or 3 bills he was involved in were cosmetic, but the other 5 or 6 were of some significance."

Welcome to universal health care! :)

I'll let you in on a little secret, I am a vet, but just as with anything government runs for "free", there are those that try to milk the system and bog things down for those that really are worthy of help. Take the horror stories with a grain of salt until all details are known. I personnally haven't seen Teague do anything that any other politician wouldn't have done. They are all self serving crooks, only a matter of degree....O.L.

[Chuck Russell]

How can you state that ENMMC charges more than RRH? Do have facts or are you just doing the standard Republican wild exaggeration? Give 4 or 5 examples with numbers if you can. Otherwise...


RRH ordered a ct scan, but ENMMC changed it to a MRI because it shows more and cost more. In my case both hospitals were wrong and a lot of money was paid unnecessarily.

Dr. French met with Teague to get an amendment to remove Pete Starks's doctor own hospital stupidity. ENMMC charges more than RRH at almost every level. Corporate own or Doctor own really doesn't make a difference.

[Daisy]

That would be a good topic for a new thread, if you wish to answer it, kral.

I, too, like that the House passed a bill to block automatic pay raises for Congress; although, in my opinion, automatic pay raises should never have been started in the first place.

Harry Mitchell (D-Arizona) was the sponsor for that bill with Teague being one of 79 co-sponsors.

It's fairly obvious that this was a pre election tactic, but what the heck - I'm all for it...:smk3:

[Chuck Russell]

There are a lot of data which can't be substantiated on this website. It is the stock and trade of people who offer slogans but not solutions. After unreliable data, are links to websites which are expected to be factual.


I don't think that those percentages can be supported by reliable data - a lot of demographic information on Tea Party sympathizers has been released in the last month, and I have not seen anything approaching this....

The highest percentage I saw was 33%. Have you access do different data?

[Jim]

Are there any other announced candidates for this seat in congress?

[kralspaces]

Chuck, this is an opinion forum. How do you substantiate someone else’s opinion? With another person’s opinion? Or a collective of opinions? For example, this post is just my opinion and doesn’t need to be substantiated. It is what it is, my post. I view everyone on this site as just having an opinion. That's all, just an opinion. Most of the links are from opinion sites as well.

It use to be that science was viewed as factual, not anymore!

[pdc]

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts."
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan

[kralspaces]

I totally agree. That's why this is an opinion forum, not facts.com or myownexperience.com. Everyone has their own opinions forumated by some facts and lots of opinions.

To get back on topic, both Teague and Pearce have their opinions of what is good for the poeple of New Mexico.

[pdc]

Kral, when someone states "facts", they can, ans should be asked to justifiy their claims...

... and that's what exactly what started this peculiar tangent (your quote on my prior post).

[Chuck Russell]

I was very pleased to see the letter to the editor in the RDR for Sun. 5/2 from the officers of VFW Post 2575. The letter was entitled "Teague works hard for vets". Some notable quotes from the letter would be:

"Mr. Taylors assertion that Congressman Teague has failed to consider the concerns of veterans suggest a profound ignorance of fact".

"Congressman Teague has achieved real results for vets in Washington and is available to aid local vets and provide assistance if sought".

"If Mr. Pearce failed to solve the problems on his mystery 'list' in the six years he had in the House, what is it that makes Mr. Taylor think Mr. Pearce will be able to do so with another round".

The rest of the letter is worth reading.

[Jim]

I was surprised by the letter-to-the-editor from the local VFW post officers criticizing Veterans' Advocate John Taylor and aparently supporting Rep. Teague over Pearce. This comes shortly after this same VFW post hosted Pearce to talk to local veterans there. I've been at the VFW Hall in the past when then Rep. Pearce spoke there and was applauded. On one occasion he was presented with medals he had earned in the Vietnam War where he flew combat missions. The VFW seemed very supportive of then Rep. Pearce on those occasions. He is a veteran. I don't know if Teague is or not.

I don't know who is on the veterans advisory group mentioned in the article but it would be nice if that was made known to all veterans. Who cherry-picked this group to represent all the veterans in this area?

I've heard good things about the current VFW post commander and respect his opinion. He once worked for Senator Bingaman. Commanders and post officers can change annually with elections but members of any post or chapter should, by majority vote at a scheduled meeting, decide and agree on any position that the post of chapter takes re political candidates. Individual members are entitled to support and vote for whomever they choose. I'd like to see a general consensus among all local veterans as to which candidate would best represent them in Washington.

The problem with our veteran groups, and I belong to several, is that they're too fragmented. They don't act or speak in unison. United we stand divided we fall.

There are other veterans, perhaps even in the VFW, who feel differently.
I hope those who signed that letter at least discussed it with John Taylor before publishing it. He deserved that for all he's done for veterans and this country.

[Jim]

I've been advised that former Rep. Pearce did fly combat missions in Vietnam as a co-pilot on a C-130. The member who advised me was his left seater, or pilot. They were stationed at Clark AFB in the Philippines. I've been there. It like U.S. Navy Base Subic Bay and Cubi Point were given to the Philippine government. I hope I didn't previously infer that Pearce was not a USAF and Vietnam veteran because he is.

There was also a U.S. military recreational area at Camp Hay in Baguio that was absolutely beautiful. It too was given to the PI government. I understand there are condos there now.

Sangly Point, another old US Navy base is also now a PI Navy base. Corregidor is across from that. Both are at the entrance to Manila bay.

[oladcock]

All this is sickening to me, as first an American and second as a Vet. I'm more concerned about the direction this country going instead of which man will do the most for ME. I'm grateful for all they offer to do but I sure as hell ain't going to beg the King for it. There are those that need help and help they should get. But there are those that want help that either don't need it or deserve it. Government sucks at making those decisions, always has, always will....O.L.

[Chuck Russell]

Truly evil sloganeering...but probably wonderful Republican logic.

It is absolutely nonsense that Obama considers Teague 'evil'.




Teague is one of those EVIL rich people according to Obama. In the top 10 richest out of the 435 house members. How did he make his money? You got it....oil...Specifically small producers.

O.L.

[Chuck Russell]

#####, #####, #####. All you do is complain but never give any intelligent suggestions to help the country. If you can't be helpful...


All this is sickening to me, as first an American and second as a Vet. I'm more concerned about the direction this country going instead of which man will do the most for ME. I'm grateful for all they offer to do but I sure as hell ain't going to beg the King for it. There are those that need help and help they should get. But there are those that want help that either don't need it or deserve it. Government sucks at making those decisions, always has, always will....O.L.

[oladcock]

If you can't be helpful...There is no helping for those that vote on the basis of which candidate will "give me" the most. What we need are reps that will only vote yes on repealing most everything done since 1915..That will cure 99% of the countries troubles.....O.L.

[Chuck Russell]

I see no inconsistency in inviting candidate Pearce to appear for a meeting so all the members might hear him and the VFW Officers considering Teague to be a better choice. Perhaps is an indication of the character of the Officers.

Have you ever heard of a Rep. addressing an organization and not being applauded? Even I would have applauded a little for Pearce.

Besides, the the decision to vote for one of the other should be based on who will do the most for Dist. 2 and the Country, not whether one is a veteran or not.


I was surprised by the letter-to-the-editor from the local VFW post officers criticizing Veterans' Advocate John Taylor and aparently supporting Rep. Teague over Pearce. This comes shortly after this same VFW post hosted Pearce to talk to local veterans there. I've been at the VFW Hall in the past when then Rep. Pearce spoke there and was applauded. On one occasion he was presented with medals he had earned in the Vietnam War where he flew combat missions. The VFW seemed very supportive of then Rep. Pearce on those occasions. He is a veteran. I don't know if Teague is or not.

I don't know who is on the veterans advisory group mentioned in the article but it would be nice if that was made known to all veterans. Who cherry-picked this group to represent all the veterans in this area?

[oladcock]

"Dist. 2 and the Country, not whether one is a veteran or not."

Chuck, that's a start..The next question is at who's expense? A lot can be done for our local economy that doesn't cost anything.....O.L.

[Daisy]

I see no inconsistency in inviting candidate Pearce to appear for a meeting so all the members might hear him and the VFW Officers considering Teague to be a better choice. Perhaps is an indication of the character of the Officers.

Have you ever heard of a Rep. addressing an organization and not being applauded? Even I would have applauded a little for Pearce.

I would have to agree - we have candidates from both sides speak at our TRAC meetings and all are applauded, as it is respectful and we appreciate the fact that they took time out of their schedules to speak to us.

[mfish]

Maybe Obama needs to ask Teague "when enough is enough" pertaining to making money ...

[oladcock]

"Maybe Obama needs to ask Teague "when enough is enough" pertaining to making money ..."

**laugh**

[mfish]

"It is absolutely nonsense that Obama considers Teague 'evil'."

So there is a level of duplicity in Obama's socialist philosophy, then?

Oh, wait - there usually is a level of duplicity when it comes to socialists ... never mind.

"Limosine liberals" ... spend other people's money - just leave "mine" (and those who are my allies) alone.

[Jim]

I've heard those VFW officers are members of the Veterans for Democrats Committee.

I respect those who advocate for veterans whether in Congress or elsewhere. That's a factor I consider before voting.

[mfish]

Looks like Harry Teague has had his five minutes of fame ...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/39252.html

[shotgun]

Looks like Harry Teague has had his five minutes of fame ...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/39252.html

Mfish you always have just the right words to say what needs to be said:shoot:

[oladcock]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Maybe he should have invested in Petrolbras with Obama's buddy George Soros where us taxpayers invested a few billion for deep water drilling....O.L.

[Jim]

Teague has't quite learned the ways of Congress yet during his freshman term. He started there with about 34 million net worth making him one of the richest people in Congress. Now he's down to a paltry 6 million. Harry ... it's supposed to work the other way around ..... you go to Congress as a pauper and within one or two terms the lobbyists make you rich.

Pearce wants his seat back So Teague may have to go back to Hobbs and try to get by on that measly 6 mil. Does a defeated freshman congressman get a congressional retirement also?

Harry ... you should have gotten VA medical care for vets in Roswell while you were there. That 400 mile RT drive to VAMC ABQ is a SOB. If you can get an appt after first getting an appt @ Artesia to get the referral appt to ABQ. Shouldn't be more than a 5 or 6 month wait. Thanks Harry for getting on the Vet Affairs Comm to help rural vets with problems like these.

[oladcock]

"Does a defeated freshman congressman get a congressional retirement also?"

Yes they do..Teaque is all proud of himself for getting Katie's law through, that takes DNA of those arrested to help solve crimes. Good thing, right? What he won't tell you is Katie was from Carlsbad going to school in LC and the man that killed her was an illegal alien who had been arrested multiple times. So instead of representing us and protecting our country, he puts a bandaid on a sucking chest wound and tells us what a good job he's doing...O.L.

http://www.katieslaw.org/