Unintended consequences

[mfish]

Here's an "Obama effect" I don't think Obama hisownself could have anticipated (and you can bet there are liberals everywhere sputtering at the mere thought of this happening) ... At least 32 Black Americans are running for Congress this year ... as REPUBLICANS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/us/politics/05blacks.html

SO. When Democrats vote against them, will that make those Democrats "RACISTS?"

[jsatterfield]

Thats a great Question can't wait to here some of the replys on that. IMNSHO no it will not make them Racists.

[mfish]

Well, "j" - it seems that every time a white person criticizes or votes against or protests the policies of a mulatto President, the race card is dealt in high speed ... just wondering if they'll feel the same way about themselves ...

[oladcock]

Just cut the "Mc" part off those McCain stickers and look up Hermin Cain, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Along with Star Parker. Dr. Manning is sure funny to listen to but isn't electable, just a little "out there"! :)....O.L.

[pdc]

I can't recall anyone's voting against Obama being characterized as being somehow "racist" - if I did,.I would regard it to be wrong-headed, in the extreme....

If Obama's election and/or visibility opens doors to other non-whites, I can only think that's a positive....

These candidates certainly aren't the first Blacks to run under the Republican banner, obviously, but I have to wonder what makes it noteworthy now?

[mfish]

In light of the fascination the lib-tard media has on the TEA Parties, these Black candidates are actually embraced by the TEA Parties for the most part, because they too, have conservative value systems ... which goes against the lib-tard media's claim that the TEA Parties are full of racist white people. Irony is almost as fun to watch unfold as karma at times ... and when the two meet - boy, then ya really have a show!

[John M. Cleary]

Just cut the "Mc" part off those McCain stickers and look up Hermin Cain, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Along with Star Parker. Dr. Manning is sure funny to listen to but isn't electable, just a little "out there"! :)....O.L.

Herman Cain, would be a great choice!

[oladcock]

"These candidates certainly aren't the first Blacks to run under the Republican banner, obviously, but I have to wonder what makes it noteworthy now?"

What makes it noteworthy is the number. A good 30%+ have always aligned with the conservative side but the mention of it brought lots of hardships, up to and including death threats. Blacks were and have been voted into leadership positions going back to the 1600's....O.L.

[pdc]

"These candidates certainly aren't the first Blacks to run under the Republican banner, obviously, but I have to wonder what makes it noteworthy now?"

What makes it noteworthy is the number. A good 30%+ have always aligned with the conservative side but the mention of it brought lots of hardships, up to and including death threats. Blacks were and have been voted into leadership positions going back to the 1600's....O.L.

I wasn't aware that the republican party went back to the 1600's....

[Jim]

I hate to see us describing qualified political candidates by their race. We label people liberal or conservative as we perceive them and that seems a reasonable if not always correct designation. But in 2010 why does it matter what someone's race or skin color is? In 40 years white people will be a minority in the US. At least someone correctly referred to President Obama as a mulatto and not black as most people mistakenly do. But who cares about that and why does it matter? White people have no monopoly on intelligence or political skills. Its a person, a human being,and our concerns should be on their qualifications for office not skin color or ethnicity.

I suppose Jackie Robinson went thru this before baseball accepted black athletes on an equal basis.

Nobody wants to call anyone racist but when their focus seems to be on skin color rather than qualifications that could reasonably be inferred.

I like to think our country is beyond that now. We were all created equal.
It's a government of, by and for the people .... not just white people unless you're in the KKK or some skinhead group still saluting Hitler.

[mfish]

The Dems actually "started" the whole "race" thing by trying to play that card every time they didn't have any other argument. I'm just glad to see that many conservative Blacks run for office ... of course, they'll all be labeled as "Toms" and "oreos" I suspect ... Now, THAT is what's sad.

[Jim]

Yes, it is sad to hear that in this day and age, We have to consider the source, Often these are uneducated people who know their insults better than the issues. Put a sign in their hand and let them rant,

I'm ashamed that as a young man I used these terms mysef.

[Daisy]

of course, they'll all be labeled as "Toms" and "oreos" I suspect ...

That, sadly, has already started and is likely to get worse...

Black Tea Party Activists Called 'Traitors' (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/06/black-tea-party-activists-called-traitors/)

[oladcock]

We met Kennith Gladney, the black fellow beat up by the black SEIU thugs in St. Lewis. He's a great American with courage to stand up to the racism from the left....O.L.

[Jim]

How many black soldiers, Marines and airmen are buried in Arlington Cemetery? Does it show anywhere that they were black, white or brown on their graves? It just shows their names and dates, awarded medals, and a place of honor in this sacred place. Blacks buried beside whites just as they served and died in battle that way. They all bleed the same. They all get the same full military honors that they deserve. And when the good Lord receives them at the pearly gate nobody is going to be calling anyone black.

[mfish]

More unintended consequences of "Progressive-ism" run amok:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4BBKEyEiZc

[rover]

Jim often the most racist people are minorities. They are either racist against those different than themselves, or they falsely cite racism towards themselves by others when they want to play victim, or don't get attention or what they want any other way.

From the beginning it was Obama and his followers (white, black, brown, color doesn't matter) who said his detractors are racist...It is THEY who are always trying to trump with the race card. Color had nothing to do with people voting against Obama. Now even more are against the man; the reason is THE MAN, not the color of his skin...He claimed to be black when he was only half black. He used the race card, the Poor Me Victim Minority, when he had greater privileges and education than almost anyone, including whites. And he's rich. In his book, he said he was ashamed of his (mother's) white blood. Who is it who is racist? Did you know he went to college under many different names? Did you know when he came to America he applied for and got a big college scholarship because he (himself) claimed he was not a US citizen? I am happy with his unintended consequences. There are many worthy black people, Obama just doesn't happen to be one of them.

[Jim]

I lived in thise times, I was brought up hearing everyone referred to by their race or ethnivity. Then I went in the military where we all worked as a team. Still plenty of wisecracks among each other but nothing like was said on street. I came out with a different attitude. As years passed and I grew older I thought we were making progress and were beyond those old racist ways. Sadly we're not, People who call theselves Christians are quick to use racist language. There's no love or foriveness as the bible teaches but hatred and venon coming out of their mouths, They incite others of like minds. Soon we have a hateful mob repeating things that are not true and working themselves ito a frenzy. Then back to church Sunday, It's sad to see America hasn't gotten beyond that by now. I thought better education would help stop this but there is always an element wanting to use race as a means to turn one group against another.
What about the character of the person? Or do they even care? In 40 years whites will be the minority race in the US and then it will be our turn to feel this hatred just because of our skin color. Will this nonsense never end?

[oladcock]

I hear you Jim. There will always be some percentage that are racist but I believe that percentage is very small and a lot smaller than it was say 40 years ago. What little there is, is being played up out of proportion to give the impression of being a bigger issue than it should. Why? As an effort to discredit/silence opposing political views when they can't win with reason and logic. This ploy is right out of the rules for radicals play book. Those that shout racist the loudest where racism doesn't exist are the biggest racists of the bunch....O.L.

[pdc]

Apparently some moderator cannot even accept that anti-Obama racism even exists. My attempt to put just three explicit examples in this thread has inexplicably disappeared without trace or explanation.

There is a significant proportion of Americans who cannot stomach that Barack Obama is our legally elected president - elected with a majority of the votes, each state's election duly and legally certified, elected in the Electoral College, and sworn into office by the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court.

He is rejected as alien and un-American by xenophobic, irrational critics and labeled with wholly unjustified pejorative, and often contradictory, terms (e.g., "Socialist", "Marxist", "Fascist", "Tyrant", "Racist", etc.)

Now while each and every of these inappropriate and unsupported attacks are not explicitly "racist", a proportion clearly are - and they all share the common trait that this man is regarded as "other", and that, as such, he is fair game for extremist and derogatory treatment unbefitting any elected leader of our country....

[oladcock]

"There is a significant proportion of Americans who cannot stomach that Barack Obama is our legally elected president - elected with a majority of the votes, each state's election duly and legally certified, elected in the Electoral College, and sworn into office by the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court."

As far as I know the only question is if he is "natural born" as the constitution requires.

"In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person." Not everyone agrees that this section includes McCain — but absent a court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship."

I guess those who questioned McCain is racist as well.You make it sound like some are picking this issue because he's blacl when the same issue came up with McCain. Bottom line is without a court ruling, he (Obama) is only "presumed" to be a natural born citizen (just as McCain is) since his father was not a citizen. Being blessed by other politicians doesn't make it fact. Failure to deport his illegal alien aunt is a good example of laws ignored for political reasons. With examples such as this only a fool would trust without question.

"My attempt to put just three explicit examples in this thread has inexplicably disappeared without trace or explanation."

No by me, it's not hard to counter BS...O.L.

[Daisy]

My attempt to put just three explicit examples in this thread has inexplicably disappeared without trace or explanation.

I didn't moderate your post and see no evidence of moderation in the admin area or the moderator reports.

Are you sure you hit the 'Submit Reply' button? I ask because I have typed in posts and gone straight to the home page without hitting Submit Reply. Then my post is lost - really ticks me off when I do that.

[saw]

Wonder how many people voted for Obama because he is black?

I know one gal (white) that voted for him and told me that I should vote for him because we owed the blacks a chance and all of the other stuff about slavery. You know, I should feel guilty because the blacks were slaves, etc.

[pdc]

I didn't moderate your post and see no evidence of moderation in the admin area or the moderator reports.

Are you sure you hit the 'Submit Reply' button? I ask because I have typed in posts and gone straight to the home page without hitting Submit Reply. Then my post is lost - really ticks me off when I do that.

Well, let me try again.

Everyone knows that Obama supporters are making up this "racism" stuff, eh?

http://mokellyreport.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/obamanative.jpg

http://idiotology.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/uncle-ream-us-poster.png?w=268&h=402

http://propagandapress.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/racist-obama-pin.jpg

None of these ever happened....

[pdc]

I guess those who questioned McCain is racist as well.You make it sound like some are picking this issue because he's blacl when the same issue came up with McCain. Bottom line is without a court ruling, he (Obama) is only "presumed" to be a natural born citizen (just as McCain is) since his father was not a citizen. Being blessed by other politicians doesn't make it fact. Failure to deport his illegal alien aunt is a good example of laws ignored for political reasons. With examples such as this only a fool would trust without question.
There is no legitimate question whether Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States - anyone still "asking" that question is either disingenuous or being duped, and whichever, likely a fool. Not nice terms, for sure - but in my post you are responding to, I never equated "questioning Obama's citizenship" with "racism". I said that, certainly, some that are doing so are racist - and some certainly are not.

But, I did suggest that the relegation to the status of "other" cannot be supported as either reasonable, fair or just, either....

And, I stand by that.

[Daisy]

Let me ask you this - if someone pictured Sarah Palin in a Pilgrim costume or as a white woman in a caveman costume, would that be racist or just silly? If people voted for Obama ONLY did so because he's black (which many did) is that racist against the white cadidates?

According to some, those would be racist things - the difference is that some take things way too seriously than others. No one ever screamed 'racism!' when white presidents were satired or shown in an unfavorable light. I think a lot of these kinds of jokes are funny, even the ones about senile, stupid old grandmothers (and there are a lot of those jokes). I don't get offended - people should lighten up, for goodness sakes.

You know, I should feel guilty because the blacks were slaves, etc.

No, you shouldn't and neither should I. We aren't the people who enslaved them and the blacks of today aren't the ones who were enslaved. None of us owes anything to the others living today for what happened a hell of a long time ago. I know you were kidding, but all that guilt crap is totally outrageous and really ticks me off. Everyone needs to GET OVER IT, already.

[oladcock]

That's some interesting trash you dug up there pdc...As far right as you think I am, been to a dozen or so Tea Party rallies, hang out with a bunch of gun toten bible thumpers, and get email jokes from all over...And I've never seen any trash like you posted or anything "racists"...Lots of negative stuff on policy.

Every weekend morning the gate at the gun range is open, you are more than welcome to come out and take look. I'd suggest if you have an Obama sticker on your car to tape over it! :)....

As far as I'm concerned we don't have to make anything up about Obama, his own words, actions, and associations are all the ammo needed to label him the socialist radical he is....O.L.

[jsatterfield]

Did Obama not apply and was granted a scholarship to go to school as a non citizen? There are tons of Documents that Obama could produce to make these allegations go away, instead he hires lawyers and fights it in court so that he don’t have to show them. I say send him to AZ and pull him over and check his immigration status, And deport his A** back to Kenya.:shoot:

Just my opinion and I’m sticking to it.**laugh**

[pdc]

Did Obama not apply and was granted a scholarship to go to school as a non citizen? There are tons of Documents that Obama could produce to make these allegations go away, instead he hires lawyers and fights it in court so that he don’t have to show them. I say send him to AZ and pull him over and check his immigration status, And deport his A** back to Kenya.:shoot:

Just my opinion and I’m sticking to it.**laugh**

If there ever were an instance of a person claiming citizenship, who had not been born in the US, they could prove "natural born citizenship status if the following had obtained: Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)



TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html)

§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

While that is not the case with Obama, even if he had not been born in Hawaii, he would have met the conditions.

FYI, on July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961." On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961." H.R. 593 passed 378-0.

[jsatterfield]

Did Obama not apply and was granted a scholarship to go to school as a non citizen?:shoot:

ARE YOU A POLITICIAN, because your sure good at dancing around questions.*shhh*

[Chuck Russell]

An absolute waste of bandwidth.


Here's an "Obama effect" I don't think Obama hisownself could have anticipated (and you can bet there are liberals everywhere sputtering at the mere thought of this happening) ... At least 32 Black Americans are running for Congress this year ... as REPUBLICANS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/us/politics/05blacks.html

SO. When Democrats vote against them, will that make those Democrats "RACISTS?"

[pdc]

Did Obama not apply and was granted a scholarship to go to school as a non citizen?:shoot:

ARE YOU A POLITICIAN, because your sure good at dancing around questions.*shhh*

If this question is directed to me, I'd have to say that I have never heard of that - I have no knowledge whatsoever.

I do believe that his father, Barack Obama, Sr. was on a scholarship when he came to the US to study - I do not know the nature or source of that scholarship.

But, hey! I suspect this is some kind of trick question, and that you're waiting in the wings, with baited breath, to furnish an "answer" to your "question". So, go ahead, and provide us to the link to whichever wacko website you've been reading....

[Daisy]

An absolute waste of bandwidth.

Care to expand on that? You must have reasons for that one liner and I'm sure many of us would love to hear them. :smk3:

[mfish]

We've seen vicious attacks on every POTUS since Jefferson, and will continue to see them as long as we have a democracy or republic form of government.

I can't count the number of similar photos and accusations that were directed towards GW Bush, Clinton, Carter, Reagan, and on and on ... Hitler-esque mustaches, gestapo emblems, dunce caps, satire towards Reagan's altheimers (after he left office) - many of those could easily be construed as racist, and at the least "hate crimes" (hey - the Liberals are the ones who wanted "hate crime" to have it own classification, since they obviously can't understand that any crime against another is actually a hate crime ...).

It seems to only matter, unfortunately, when the slurs and hateful attacks are directed towards liberals. And the fact that Obama happens to be mulatto is a bonus for those who like to play the race card (on both sides - n a positive or negative light).

I've never voted for or against any candidate for any office because of their ethnicity. I do know however, many Blacks who voted for Obama simply because he's mulatto (as close to "Black" as they've had since Je$$e Jack$on and Al $harpton ran). Many celebrities have stated as such publicly.

CHUCK: If you don't vote for a Black candidate, are you then, a racist? You seem to want to side-step the query with an innoxious one-liner rather than recognize that MANY people have indeed been called "racists" simply because they do not support Obama's policies to "fundamentally transform America." I've been called a racist, and I'd just about bet that any White Conservative who interacts with Liberals has been at least once - even if not to their face. Why so quick to try to deflect the point with a "waste of bandwidth" comment rather than an answer? Afraid of the truth, CHUCK?

[Daisy]

Exactly - Libs are leaders of the 'Dish it out, but can't take it' crowd. They laughed like crazy when those same kinds of cartoons and jokes were circulated about Republican Presidents, but scream like little girls when it's directed at their 'Chosen One'. Pitiful...

[pdc]

FYI, i only posted those items to evidence that, in fact, there have been racist attacks on this president - and so far, no one has countered that aspect (though many are quick to discount it). That was intended to respond to those who were denying that racist attacks had occurred, or, worse, were fabrications in the mind of Obama supporters. I think I made my point.

I readily admit that there has always been a lunatic fringe criticizing our leaders and legislators. Today, that lunatic fringe includes those who level the racist attacks as I documented them and/or accusations (unjustified by any sound documentation or reasoning) of "socialism". "Marxism", "Fascism", "tyrannical" and other such inflammatory labels.

BTW, I believe there is a lot of rational, sound and well-supported criticism of the President - from both liberal and conservative partisans (including many in the "Tea Party Movement"). So, please don't characterize my commentary as equating any or all of Obama opposition to lunatics - just a lot of what is present around here, and prominent throughout the Right Wing element in the mainstream media....

[Daisy]

just a lot of what is present around here, and prominent throughout the Right Wing element in the mainstream media....

If you can provide proof of racist remarks about Obama here, Id like to see them. Socialist (and well founded) claims, yes, but I don't recall (and haven't found by searching) any racist posts on this forum and that is what was portrayed in the pictures you showed.

By the way, when you reproduce images such as those on a forum such as this, you are helping to spread that racist message you so despise.

[jsatterfield]

By the way, when you reproduce images such as those on a forum such as this, you are helping to spread that racist message you so despise.

Daisy,

Dont tell him that, I like those Pictures, thats some Funny stuff**laugh**. And he just dont get it, that makes it even more funny**laugh**. JMO

[jsatterfield]

But, hey! I suspect this is some kind of trick question, and that you're waiting in the wings, with baited breath, to furnish an "answer" to your "question". So, go ahead, and provide us to the link to whichever wacko website you've been reading....

Its not worth my time, even though I have tons of spare time, If you were hit between the eyes with a brick you would say its not a brick it’s a clay block, I used to have a signature that read, You just cant fix stupid I think I will use it again it seems to fit this Thread.

[pdc]

If you can provide proof of racist remarks about Obama here, Id like to see them. Socialist (and well founded) claims, yes, but I don't recall (and haven't found by searching) any racist posts on this forum and that is what was portrayed in the pictures you showed.

By the way, when you reproduce images such as those on a forum such as this, you are helping to spread that racist message you so despise.

I have yet to see one "well-founded" claim that Obama is a "socialist" (or "Marxist", "fascist". etc.) - those who have made such allegations on these forums have even refused, repeatedly, to defend their own allegations when confronted....

If anyone identifies with, likes, uses, or otherwise positively responds to ANY of those images that I posted, then they were already guilty of racism - I, for one, am repulsed by those images - I also support that facing such behavior head-on, and confronting it, is a part of the solution, not the problem....

[Daisy]

...those who have made such allegations on these forums have even refused, repeatedly, to defend their own allegations when confronted....

Not true - people have posted many articles of Obama's Socialist agendas and policies; backgrounds, past friends and mentors, even direct quotes from the horse's mouth. If you choose not to accept them, that's on you and it's fine until you blame those people for what you choose not to accept. We disagree - no blame or accusations are necessary.

If anyone identifies with, likes, uses, or otherwise positively responds to ANY of those images that I posted, then they were already guilty of racism

Not true, either - some just don't take themselves and the satire as seriously as others.

I, for one, am repulsed by those images

And that's fine, but you don't have the right to judge anyone who isn't repulsed by them. If I was as repulsed as you claim to be, I would not have posted such HUGE examples of what I was repulsed by for everyone to see. To me, that would be spreading a message which I despise.....an unintended consequence perhaps. :cool:

That's just my way of looking at things. You have a right to your way as well, but don't have the right to call people 'racists' simply because they don't agree with you. :smk3:

[mfish]

Dennis Miller made a comment the other day about how Americans have become so obsessed with being whiney politically correct panty-wastes - or words to that effect. Many need to quit taking themselves - and everyone else - so seriously all the time.

[Daisy]

I agree with Miller on that. We Americans used to be a strong, deal with our adversities, make our own way, kind of people. Then came the political nosense of letting the government take care of us because we aren't capable of doing it ourselves.

Can't provide for yourself, let the government do it. Can't deal with even your smallest problems, let a counselor do it. Can't raise your own kids, let the state do it. Can't protect your family, let the Police do it. Can't, can't, can't............total BS.

It took many years, but the brainwashing has finally taken hold for many Americans. Pitiful.....:no:

[oladcock]

pdc, you want to see how racist the right is? Watch the Glenn Beck show today at 3:00pm on FNC..I dare you. Caution!...You'll learn something they'll never tell you in progressive media or schools.......O.L.

[mfish]

From www.dictionary.com:

Socialism is a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Obama has exhibited his preference to that philosophy in many ways, and through his own words. Many of those quotes have already been used in this and other threads on this forum. His hope to "redistribute the wealth," his craving for "social justice," and his puzzlement over why people embrace the free enterprise system ("how much is too much?" he asked when speaking to earnings).

[mfish]

I consider Kevin Jackson to be a friend and a great American. Here's his web site. I don't think Kevin has ever though of me as a "racist" and I have never looked at him as one, either:

http://theblacksphere.net/

[Daisy]

Excellent site, mfish - thanks! I just signed up for the Black Sphere newsletter.

From the little I read and watched, Jackson seems to be a very intelligent, conservative black man who doesn't buy in to all the political correctness crap - he seems to have a lot of common sense and is smart enough not to blindly believe the rhetoric of the leftist liberals and the RINOS. I like that in a person! I plan to go back and read more of his articles.

I hope he is successful in educating and re-educating many, many people. :smk3:

[mfish]

Observations from another, regarding the troubling political leanings of our "dear leader:"

http://biggovernment.com/egeorge/2010/05/15/first-healthcare-now-banks-is-anyone-seeing-a-pattern-here/

[pdc]

From www.dictionary.com:

Socialism is a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Obama has exhibited his preference to that philosophy in many ways, and through his own words. Many of those quotes have already been used in this and other threads on this forum. His hope to "redistribute the wealth," his craving for "social justice," and his puzzlement over why people embrace the free enterprise system ("how much is too much?" he asked when speaking to earnings).
Fail.

[Daisy]

A one word negative response to a big long quote? Really? Are you and Chuck the same person? Oh, wait, he had a five word negative response with no explanation...:rolleyes:

mfish, I read a whole lot of the articles on the Black Sphere site and watched many of the videos. I like this Kevin Jackson and sent the site to many people so they could check it out, too. :smk3:

[oladcock]

http://www.hermancain.com/

[mfish]

Daisy, Kevin is a great American. One of my favorite people.