Government and Religion

[jsatterfield]

I found this article and I thought it would make for some good discussion.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH PASTORS HELPING TO DISARM THE PUBLIC UNDER MARTIAL LAW?

I'm a pastor of a Christian church. I watched the video about Christian pastors being recruited to help disarm the public after Hurricane Katrina. I got the feeling from the video that this was a bad thing. But I'm confused as to why it is a bad thing to disarm people who are panicked and therefore dangerous to one another. It seems that Christians particularly should be people who would be okay with being unable to defend themselves. After all, Christ commanded Peter to put his sword away, and early Christians went to the lions rather than defend themselves. Maybe you could help me understand why it is so important that we not let the government take away our guns..
Keith McAliley
Frankfort, Kentucky


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

[pdc]

They shoot horses, don't they?

[jsatterfield]

They shoot horses, don't they?

Ok I know that I am not the brightest light bulb on this forum, So would you explain that one liner to me pdc. Please

[Daisy]

Yeah, I don't get it either, jsatterfield...........

More importantly, this is the scariest sentence in that whole paragraph.

"It seems that Christians particularly should be people who would be okay with being unable to defend themselves."

Why in the world would ANYONE be okay with being unable to defend themselves?? You would have to be way out of touch with reality NOT to be able to defend yourself...............wow. Who do people like that think is going to defend them when necessary if not themselves?

Yeah, that totally blows my mind.................:nerves:

Oh yeah, and that video made my stomach queasy the first time I watched it and I don't watch it anymore. :smk2:

[Alfdom]

They shoot horses, don't they? is a book and a movie. It is a very sad and depressing story. The video probably reminded pdc of the movie.

I do remember when I first saw this story. One good disaster and you too will be stripped of your gunss and forced to live in trailer parks. The big fence around you will be for your own safety and you will be free to say what you are told.

[kralspaces]

This will never happen. God created man with 'free will' and no other man can take that away. You already know the phrase: where there's a will there's a way. I will admit, that one man could possibly break the will of another man, but not McCain's. He has already proved that. McCain gets one point from me, that is one point more than Obama.

[Alfdom]

I am sure the people in the video did not think it would happen to them. How many more times will it have to happen before most understand what happened? Do you really think they will stop taking your guns away? You have not seen anything yet.

[mfish]

First, they'll tax the bullets, then outlaw them altogether. That way, the guns ultimately become harmless.
If that doesn't work, the video is an excellent example of what WILL work.

Unfortunately, this happened during a natural disaster. And the police were obviously overwhelmed and undertrained (sound familiar, Roswell?) - so they overreacted with violation of the 2nd Amendment, and hoepfully the City of New Orleans will have to pay out the BUTT to these people, to send a message to the next law enforcement agency that panics.

Point of interest - New Orleans has also been controlled by the Democrat Party for as long as anyone can remember. Most Democrats would like to see most guns confiscated - with OBAMA! being one Sociali - er, Democrat leading the charge, folks.

I'm buying bullets and gold - and incandescent light bulbs, regularly. I think all three will be valuable commodities before the socialist take-over of America is complete. The government has already taken away our gold once -incandescent light bulbs are scheduled to be "outlawed" by 2012, and bullets will be next. Not much is more worthless than an empty gun.

Maybe this should be posted under WAKE UP, AMERICA ...

[ltccuster]

I must have missed the part about pastors being recruited (by whom?) to confiscate weapons. The church as such has no business doing that.

I don't know what Louisiana state law is re having weapons in cars or boats.
Was martial law declared there during Katrina?

This was an extraordinary time but 2nd Amendment rights are not put on hold during bad weather.

The lady who was in her home with adequate food had a right not to allow them to enter her home unless there was some lawful order to evacuate because of flood danger. She displayed her weapon but not in a threatening manner. It shouldn't have been taken from her.

I believe NOPD has a reputation for corruption. As I recall many of them fled and failed to report for duty during Katrina. I don't know how well trained they are or if they overreacted in that awful situation. If a citizen requests a receipt for a seized weapon they should be given one, along with a reason for doing so, preferably citing the law authorizing that, along with the seizing officer's name and badge number. They should also be told where the weapon is being taken and what needs to be done to get the weapon back.

Without knowing the applicable laws at that time it does appear that there were violations of 2nd Amendment rights. The FBI investigates violations of constitutional rights and those cases are heard in federal courts. Some lawyers might refer to this as a "Christmas package" as it seems like the police and the city were culpable and may have to settle with these people.
The lawyers will get their share.

I don't like any government agency confiscating someone's personal weapon unless there is a valid legal reason for doing so. With all these special powers we're giving government to supposedly fight terrorism we're whittling away at rights we formerly took for granted. Congress is to blame for passing laws that allow these kinds of things to happen. Hopefully a new administration and congress will right this wrong. But that depends on who we elect and who our next Attorney General is. Ultimately, we can correct this with our votes or allow this trend to continue and worsen with our votes. We'd better do that quickly while we still have the right to vote.

[Swadlo]

Buy gun powder and lead and load your own. The library has books on how to make gun powder if "they" stop selling gun powder

As a back up, buy a baseball bat.
Something to think about.

It is like the old ant and the grasshopper story. Take away from those who have and prepared and give it to those who did nothing. Like obama says to do.

My opinion
Swadlo

[Crazyfingers]

First, they'll tax the bullets, then outlaw them altogether. That way, the guns ultimately become harmless.
If that doesn't work, the video is an excellent example of what WILL work.

Unfortunately, this happened during a natural disaster. And the police were obviously overwhelmed and undertrained (sound familiar, Roswell?) - so they overreacted with violation of the 2nd Amendment, and hoepfully the City of New Orleans will have to pay out the BUTT to these people, to send a message to the next law enforcement agency that panics.

Point of interest - New Orleans has also been controlled by the Democrat Party for as long as anyone can remember. Most Democrats would like to see most guns confiscated - with OBAMA! being one Sociali - er, Democrat leading the charge, folks.

Maybe this should be posted under WAKE UP, AMERICA ...

Indeed. Wake up America!.
Who is to say the next "disaster" they stage or comes naturally won't be the time they try to take everyones weapons.
You are right that New Orleans has had a great deal of Democratic "leadership" through out it's history. But if you watch the vid again you will see the woman at the beginning was the only one to face the NOPD. The rest were attacked by our military or St. Tammany parish cops. Both led, directed and under orders of the Republican leaders of either their parish or the Republican president and Commander in Chief. It's not a Demo thing...just a knee jerk reaction caused by the fearmongering coming from the Republican led Dept. of Homeland Security.

[mfish]

"Who is to say the next "disaster" they stage or comes naturally won't be the time they try to take everyones weapons."


Oh yeah. I forgot - you Bush Hater libs like conspiracy theories, too.
This oughta be fun - at least for a while. I love to read that stuff - it's better than any science fiction I've found, and it makes me laugh. So please - share some more - tell us all how every eeeevil thing that has gone wrong in the WORLD has been at the hands of G W Bush ...

But be careful - because your kind also loves to tell us how much of a "simpleton" Bush is - so which is it? A genius who can manipulate natural disasters, world terrorist organizations, oil companies, and the federal reserve - SIMULTANEOUSLY, I might add, or a simpleton? I've always been confused by that "logic."

[Crazyfingers]

mfish;
Cool.
I am looking forward to it as well. I think it will be fun.
Since you haven't had time to get to know me yet I'll share a bit about me.
There is a link on the "New Members" thread to a story I posted on my website that may help you get to know who I have been and still am.
I am not a conspiracy theorist and don't hold any creedence to the "Truthers" or believe there is a conspiracy in the Iraq conflict. (Boldfaced lies can not be a hidden conspiracy nor can a simpleton cause mass hysteria.)The man and his handlers (Cheney, Rove, etc) have a good thing going for themselves.
When you call me a Bush hating lib I take no offense. I am not a fan of the Obama/Biden ticket either. I am registered Republican and in the primary voted for a real right wing candidate who only came in second or third. My November ballot will be cast on one issue only as both of the leading candidates are fools IMHO. Crooks who are in the lobbyists pockets with only the wealthy interests at heart.
I am looking forward to hanging out on this forum with you and the rest of the forumites.
Exchange of ideas and ideals are the only way an individual can grow.
I am a freak but am usually easy to get along with. Maybe you will get to like our discourse. I thrive on conflicting views...without animosity.

[Serio Aldenevich]

I like the post from Crazyfingers. Sounds like an intelligent guy/gal with wit.
A Republican, like most of us here I presume, but open-minded enough to think out of the box. I especially enjoyed his mention of Cheney and Rove being Bush's handlers. That's true in many ways. Now Rove is handling McCain and he has shown he has a good track record as a handler of political candidates. I see Rove as very intelligent and a skillful behind-the-scenes wheeler and dealer and coach extraordinaire. I see him behind McCain's negative ads. Crazyfingers (I like that name) will thrive here exchanging ideas with the hard-core Republicans and good ole boys. Welcome aboard Crazyfingers! I'm anxious to hear what else you have to share with us.

[Crazyfingers]

Thanx for the welcome Serio;
We will have some fun this election season because there is always a lot of differing opinions being discussed in the news and all.
I'm looking forward to it.

[jsatterfield]

I liked this response from Linda June.

Authority is right and should be obeyed. Abuse of it is clearly wrong and should be resisted.... Who's the famous guy who said "All that evil needs to prevail is for good men to do nothing?" I can't remember, but this statement sums it all up. When good men sit idly by, tyrants, oppressors, thieves, murderers, and rapists get away with their evil. Who's to stop them? They certainly won't stop themselves. Why should pastors not help the government disarm people in disaster situations or when martial law is declared? Because true government authority never disarms its people. An armed nation is well defended, and in such a place, government serves the people as God intends it to do. When the civil authorities conspire to disarm the people, for any stated reason whatsoever, you can rest assured that they have evil plans up their collective sleeve.

Now, Mr. McAliley may be of the opinion that his government, whatever that is in this country, intends no harm to the citizens or himself. This would be a naive opinion, since all of history proves that all governments are comprised of individual men, and individual men often give in to the base temptations that afflict all men. Scripture says, "The heart of man is desperately wicked." History also shows that no collection of men can maintain a good, Godly government for very long, maybe one, or at most, two generations. (One can argue compellingly that the government of this country has been no different, depending on your point of view.) When individual men, who connive to live richly off of the labor and goods of everyone else, arrive at the crest of the civil power, they lie, they steal, they cheat. They seduce the innocent. They take your children. They take your property. They take your soul.
If you let them. .....Isn’t there a song with these world in it..

[Swadlo]

Government and Religion, and the right to bare arms.

I see nothing wrong with a "Gun Tottin' Preacher"

I don't know if this is true or not, and if it is not true, it should be.
Preachers should be allowed to get a concealed gun permit and make it mandatory, for them to carry their gun to the pulpit, so they can protect their flock from the crazies as well as from the devil. Makes sense to me. Maybe even start up a church "Security Force" like the Mormons of old, The men who prtected the church and farmers and such from wild Indians and killer white men.



What do y'all think?


And by the Way, welcome aboard Crazyfingers. I don't think you will find many dull moments here.

Swadlo

[Swadlo]

Who is to say the next "disaster" they stage or comes naturally won't be the time they try to take everyones weapons.

Crazyfingers
I hope your bonifydus is some one more reliable than micheal more or nancy polusie.

Swadlo

[Alfdom]

The events in the video did happen. Since the citizens are so unaware of what happened, I can see no reason why the government should care about our rights at all. Most of the posters here are still in denial that US of America citizens had their weapons taken from them by force and illegally. I will repeat my self, you have not seen anything, yet.

[Daisy]

I don't know of anyone here who is denial of the facts. We know weapons were taken away from the people in New Orleans........and I think it's safe to say that we hate it!

[Swadlo]

The weapons that were taken away,

Was that before or after the idiots fired on US Army helicopters?

Something to think about.

Swadlo

[kralspaces]

The events in the video did happen. Since the citizens are so unaware of what happened, I can see no reason why the government should care about our rights at all. Most of the posters here are still in denial that US of America citizens had their weapons taken from them by force and illegally. I will repeat my self, you have not seen anything, yet.

DENIAL? Here's what scares me more than one emergency situation in New Orleans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs&feature=related

[jsatterfield]

Swadlo;10959]The weapons that were taken away,

Was that before or after the idiots fired on US Army helicopters?

Something to think about.

Swadlo, are you saying that it's ok then to take everybody’s guns away, if someone shoots at the military? I would think it would be my duty as an American Citizen to make sure that the hoodlums did not shoot at our military or law enforcement, or anybody else unless there were protecting them self.
Even if that meant taken the dirt bags out myself, or showing the police were they were so they can take the slime balls out themselves, hopefully permanently. BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE MY GUN.

[Alfdom]

The weapons that were taken away,

Was that before or after the idiots fired on US Army helicopters?

Something to think about.

Swadlo

There were no helicopters that were damaged by bullets. None of the people who had their rights stepped on did any thing wrong. How easy it is to fool people. How easy people believe and repeat lies.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/36327.html

They Shoot Helicopters, Don't They?

[Daisy]

It makes absolutely no difference whether someone shot at a helicopter or not. They would only have the right to disarm the person who fired at the 'copter. Nothing, and I repeat, nothing gives gov't the right to disarm all the citizens. :no3:

[mfish]

If they can pinpoint the location of a kid in a backyard with a laser pointer blinding helicopters, they really oughta be able to find a shooter without disarming an entire city.

[Swadlo]

There were no helicopters that were damaged by bullets. None of the people who had their rights stepped on did any thing wrong. How easy it is to fool people. How easy people believe and repeat lies

So what you folks are telling me is;
If someone shots at the military or the police and no one will say who shot at them, it is OK for the preps to keep their Guns. There was so much crime going on in New Orleans that the cops who did show up for work were afraid to go into the streets. With the exception of the cops who were filling up grocery carts up with stereos and stuff. Or was that BS too. Tell your self what ever you must tell yourself what ever you must to make you happy. If no one had taken weapons, then would you same people be yelling that no one stopped the criminals. Next you will be telling me it was the cops and the military that was raping and murdering the people in the coliseum.

Jack, do you really think that is what I am saying? Is so, you have not read my previous postings. Get real. Had the people who were being terrorized by the thugs had guts enough to point out the SOB's who were causing the problems none of this would have happened.

The same thing was said about the military who went to Detroit to help quell the riots in the 60's. So you folks continue to believe the BS put out by any jerk who calls him/herself a journalist. Check the facts before you get your drawers in a not.

The thugs should be thankful that the people on the Choppers were not armed and maned with combat hardened veterans. Then the rag printers would have had a field day. Get rear people, Y'all will yell if the authorities do something are yell equally as loud if they do nothing. Ask yourself. What would you have done if you were in charge.

Oh, that's right, Let's just blame Bush. Then we can all go to bed with a clear mind. Right. Get real folks.

Give me an answer.

If we are riding around in your car, and we get pulled over and the cops find my dope that I put under your front seat so I won't get caught with it. You would keep your mouth shut while the cops haul you off to jail and confiscate your car. If you do, then you are a better person than I am. Because I am going to tell the cops who's dope it is. I will not go to jail for you or let my car get impounded for you or anyone else. Same with guns.



Did any of you stop to think, maybe, they took the guns because they did not want to get shot. Remember, it only takes one or two to screw it up for everybody. Would any of you liked to have been a cop or soldier in New Orleans during Katrina. I doubt it.

Before you go crazy look at all the facts.

Swadlo

[Daisy]

If someone shots at the military or the police and no one will say who shot at them, it is OK for the preps to keep their Guns.

It's never okay for the perps to keep their guns, just as it's never okay for the innocent to have their guns taken. But if you don't know which is which, you can NOT disarm everyone............it's wrong. This IS America.


Did any of you stop to think, maybe, they took the guns because they did not want to get shot.

Police and military never want to get shot, but that's one of the hazards of the jobs, and they all know that. It's just not right to disarm everyone because some (or even most) are bad guys. Say the police here had become targets of gang members and were being shot at on a daily basis. And no one would turn in the names of the gang members. It's then okay for the police to go door to door and take EVERYONE'S weapons, cuz they don't wanna get shot at anymore? Oh please.............not even! :no3:

I'm very confused by your defense of gun confiscation here in America, Swadlo. You have always been an advocate of the 2nd Amendment. Are you just trying to stir us up or what? I hope that's it, cuz I'd hate to think that you are in favor of gun confiscation, no matter WHAT the reason. :sad1:

[mfish]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3372672.html

Swadlo, be careful about spreading rumors ... most of what you're talking about didn't happen - rapes and murders at the Superdome were rumored to add more blame to Bush's back.

[Alfdom]

This report claims 2 deaths by murder that September. There was no good reason to take the weapons. There is no reason for churches to help the government strip us of our rights.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gPV1jJ1dGSKr0YwqSqCiL3g8V1zQD92RH8580

[Daisy]

There was no good reason to take the weapons.

There IS no good reason to take the weapons..........EVER!

There is no reason for churches to help the government strip us of our rights.

AMEN to that! :smk2: :hypocrite:

[Swadlo]

Dasey
I'm very confused by your defense of gun confiscation here in America, Swadlo. You have always been an advocate of the 2nd Amendment. Are you just trying to stir us up or what? I hope that's it, cuz I'd hate to think that you are in favor of gun confiscation, no matter WHAT the reason.

Daisy

I still am an advocate of the 2nd Amendment. You may believe anything you wish.

With New Orleans being the most corrupt police force, and city in the country. The new Orleans city government set this junglef#$% in motion. The only thing I see wrong is the MilitaryATF did not disarm the New Orleans Police Department at the same time.. Because when everything is said and done, you just might find a bunch of BAD Cops responible for purpposly mis-intruppiting the confiscation order.

The ATF, In the history of the ATF, they have always over re-acted, "Ruby Ridge" comes to mind, along with Waco. The list against ATF is endless.

If you remember not to long ago a local deputy shrieff was busted for confiscating weapons from suspected illegals and local mexicans, because the folks were afraid to complain. A lot of the folks are afraid of the police. If anyone comes to conficate my weapons , then they will have to arrest me along with the guns they confiscat. When they arrest me, they will have to fill out a arrest report and Then I will have the name of the Cop/Cops with badge numbers, or the members of the ATF with badge numbers who took my weapons with searial numbers on record. I have searrial number and pictures of all my weapons. All of this then becomes evedence in my law suit violating my 2d Amendment rights,(And several other amendments rights) plus I will have an exzact listing of the weapons taken. And if I do have to get a lawyer to get my weapons back, the first place I look for a lawyer is with the NRA. I will want a gun advocate representing me. Prefurably an ex-military JAG Officer.

What a lot of people never stop and think about, When you take on a government inity, rou had better have all your fact. As far as the cop who said they would not give receipts for the guns they took, would have evedence of confication with an arest record. When the court found the act of confiscation illegal, then can theft charges agains the Police/ATF personnel and get that bum thrown off the police force.

I know a few folks who have had their guns confiscated here in Roswell, after the police busted into their homes with a search warrent. They recieved receipt for the weapons taken and later got their guns back.

What I am hearing in these postings is people who loose their heads then creating a bigger problem by pissing off an already mad cop/atf personnel who has not got his stuff together.

The same thing applys when a traffic cop pulls you over. 9 out of 10 people will be more polite than they have been all their lives. Yes Sir, No Officer and so on. But you have that one dumb @$$ who starts giving the cop a bunch of BS, then complains when he is handcuffed and hauled off to jail.

mfish
Swadlo, be careful about spreading rumors

mfish
Rumors, I can accuse you of the same thing, for some of your post, but what would I accomplish? Nothing


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050901-0651-hurricanekatrina.html
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Tempers flared elsewhere across the devastated region. Police said a man in Hattiesburg, Miss., fatally shot his sister in the head over a bag of ice. Dozens of carjackings were reported, including a nursing home bus. One officer was shot in the head and a looter was wounded in a shootout. Both were expected to survive.
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6:51 a.m. September 1, 2005

NEW ORLEANS – The evacuation of the Superdome was suspended Thursday because of fires and gunshots outside the arena, authorities said, as National Guardsmen in armored vehicles poured into New Orleans to help restore order across the increasingly lawless and desperate city.
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050901-0651-hurricanekatrina.html
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The helicopter pilot who reported being shot at was from an Air Ambulance trying to evacuate folks from the Superdome.

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These are just a few of the crazies with guns.

Swadlo, are you saying that it's ok then to take everybody’s guns away, if someone shoots at the military? I would think it would be my duty as an American Citizen to make sure that the hoodlums did not shoot at our military or law enforcement, or anybody else unless there were protecting them self.----------------------------------

Jay,
No matter what you might think or feel, you can not/do not have the right to take tha law into your own hands.


I recommend that folks get their facts ( all of the facts) together before they start pointing fingers. Be careful when jumping on a "Band Wagon"

From here down is just add ons. Feel free to browse.


Talk about sucking the Government dry
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321246,00.html
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Pardom me if I screwed up and repeted any of the following sites.

http://www.gunowners.org/notb.htm
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http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&norw=1&fr=b1ie7&p=Guns+confiscated+in+New+%2BOrleans
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050901-0651-hurricanekatrina.html
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http://www.unknownnews.org/060417katrina.html
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http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Guns+confiscated+in+New+Orleane&ei=utf-8&fr=b1ie7
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http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl041706khconfiscated.44851e00.html
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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/19/new_orleans_police_to_return_seized_guns/
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http://www.newsobserver.com/850/story/430490.html
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318478,00.html
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1616777/posts
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http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/04/18/new_orleans_guns_returned/
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Interpret this in any way that makes you happy. Y'all have a nice day.

Swadlo

[Daisy]

Thanks for all the links, Swadlo, they were interesting (the ones I read, anyway), but didn't show me anything to change my opinion. I haven't jumped on a bandwagon, I have believed this as long as I remember. It's wrong for the gov't to confiscate guns from all the citizens in any given area, for any given reason.

Period...........:smk2:

[Alfdom]

This article claims the police will not be able to do it again.

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2008/08/gun_ammo_sales_are_brisk_ahead.html

Blackwater will be back in NOLA, with federal funding. I really do not know what will happen now.

[Daisy]

Excellent excerpt from the article in Alfdom's link:

"The right to bear arms became a flash point of controversy after Katrina, when police officers seized guns from civilians. The outcry from Second Amendment activists led more than a dozen states -- including Louisiana -- to pass laws restricting local officials from confiscating firearms during disasters."

[Swadlo]

but didn't show me anything to change my opinion. I haven't jumped on a bandwagon, I have believed this as long as I remember. It's wrong for the gov't to confiscate guns from all the citizens in any given area, for any given reason.

Here is what I do not get;
First off, I am not trying to convince anyone that it is OK to violate the 2d Amendment. But I will say this one more time, I see nothing wrong with taking guns away from Thugs, bad guys and gang bangers or anyone running around waving a gun like a crazy man.. When one of these fools shoot some one the fine community will always cry foul.

Think about and do what ever you think you can get away with. When a fool shoots at some one then the next person seen waving a gun, good guy or bad guy, no matter, he is libeled to get shot dead, And if you jump right in there and start shooting don't complain when every one with a gun starts shooting at you in return, not having any idea of who or why anyone is shooting. Just shear panic. Just jumping on a band wagon.

Ask yourself this question.
Out of all of the Katrina Ravaged Gulf Coast, Why did it happen only in New Orleans, The most crime riddled, corrupt city in America.

Just don't go waving your gun around during a gun battle if you don't want to get involved or shot at.. But, it will make a good headline if you can get some over worked stressed out cop or GI to react to your stupidity. That will make for a good ACLU Law suit.

And remember, the Roswell Fire Chief, and the paramedic who got shot dead by a crazy whacked out thug who had 2d Amendment rights too.



I hope and pray I never get in a crises with some of you folks. If I do I will need lots of ammo just to defend myself.

Swadlo

[Daisy]

But I will say this one more time, I see nothing wrong with taking guns away from Thugs, bad guys and gang bangers or anyone running around waving a gun like a crazy man..

Okay, did you say this part before, cuz I TOTALLY missed it if you did. Or maybe we weren't on the same page at all - I was talking about the fact that they went door to door and took people's guns. They also stopped people who were evacuating (peacefully) and took their guns.

OF COURSE I expect them to take the guns away from thugs, bad guys and crazies...........but NOT go door to door and take them from people who weren't doing anything wrong.

I hope and pray I never get in a crises with some of you folks. If I do I will need lots of ammo just to defend myself.

I'm damned near ready to shoot you right this minute!! And I mean that in the fondest way..........:hypocrite:

[Alfdom]

I knew most of the people involved in those terrible tragic events of that April. They have nothing on your right to a have a weapon. To post about such a hard time in many people's lives, too gain advantage in an arguement, is something I would not do. The post brought back many painful memories for me.

[Swadlo]

I'm damned near ready to shoot you right this minute!! And I mean that in the fondest way..........

Bring it on Daisy. High Noon at second and main streets . Pick which way you wish to come from, North,east,south or west. Or would you reather start from back to back and count off 10 paces. What day would be good for you?:sneaky:



I knew most of the people involved in those terrible tragic events of that April. They have nothing on your right to a have a weapon. To post about such a hard time in many people's lives, too gain advantage in an arguement, is something I would not do. The post brought back many painful memories for me.


If I have opened a wound, I sympathize with your pain. I too have lost a loved one to a senseless killing.
But I still believe some folks should not be allowed to have Guns.. Sense the college killings more laws are being passed to prevent just that.

That goes for Martial Law as well.

Swadlo

[Daisy]

Or would you reather start from back to back and count off 10 paces.

I prefer this way - I'm a little younger and might could turn around faster than you. ;)

What day would be good for you?

Next month - September 31. :smk3:

[Neil]

I prefer this way - I'm a little younger and might could turn around faster than you. ;)



Next month - September 31. :smk3:


Section 30-20-11 Dueling.
Dueling consists of any person:
A. conveying by written or verbal message a challenge to any other person to fight a duel with any deadly weapon, and whether or not such duelensues;
B. accepting a challenge from another person to fight a duel with any deadly weapon, and whether or not such duel ensues;
C. engaging in or fighting a duel with any deadly weapon; or
D. aiding, encouraging or seconding either party to a duel and being present at such duel when deadly weapons are used.
Whoever commits dueling is guilty of a fourth degree felony.


I'm not sure whether to come down and arrest you both or bring my video camera and take bets.:naughty:

[Swadlo]

Section 30-20-11 Dueling.
Dueling consists of any person:
A. conveying by written or verbal message a challenge to any other person to fight a duel with any deadly weapon, and whether or not such duelensues;
B. accepting a challenge from another person to fight a duel with any deadly weapon, and whether or not such duel ensues;
C. engaging in or fighting a duel with any deadly weapon; or
D. aiding, encouraging or seconding either party to a duel and being present at such duel when deadly weapons are used.
Whoever commits dueling is guilty of a fourth degree felony.


Daisy
We may finely get to meet, but I was hopping for a better place than JAIL:rolleyes::ohwell:

I guess the meeting at 2d and Main is off.

Thanks for the warning N.

Swadlo

[ltccuster]

Maybe this dueling law was passed when they used to have gunfights.
Might be an appropriate law for some of our local shootings.

[Daisy]

DUDES!! My post said we'd meet on SEPTEMBER 31..............think about that........:smk2:

Swadlo, my longtime fellow poster, I would (probably) never shoot you, no matter how ornery you get....:nasty:

Neil, my favorite policeman, I would never (without just cause) shoot anyone . :rolleyes:

[kralspaces]

Thank you Daisy. Does that mean this thread is going to get back on topic.

[Daisy]

Yes, I believe it means just that...........we're through having our fun.

Although, we could go on and discuss how maybe a pastor, preacher or priest would want to come collect our guns after Policeman Neil asked him too, for our own safety and............ okay, never mind.

Back to the real world of Government and Religion. :)

[jsatterfield]

New Pledge of Allegiance (TOTALLY AWESOME) !

Since the Pledge of Allegiance
And
The Lord's Prayer
Are not allowed in most
Public schools anymore
Because the word 'God' is mentioned...
A kid in Arizona wrote the attached


NEW School prayer :

Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks..
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!
Amen

[Neil]

It should me mandatory that religion be taught in schools.
Children need to be made aware of all the religions of the World. What they are based on, what they offer and what they expect from their followers. Then the children can make an informed choice on which, if any, they find the most believable.

[Swadlo]

But Neil, that would make to much sense and give the kids a mind of their own.

Swadlo