Against Annexation Meeting

[John M. Cleary]

Everyone is invited to the " Chaves County Residents Against Annexation " , meeting on Friday the 13th of March, 2009 at 6 p.m.

The meeting will be held at the Chaves County Extension Office / Auditorium, 200 East Chisom.

Please tell your neighbors, this is not just for those of us in the proposed annexation.

Next time it might be you they try to annex.

Councilor Maples...you can attend too, we'd welcome it.

[John M. Cleary]

Just a heads up.....We have a meeting, this friday.

[Billy Wood]

Everyone is invited to the
" Chaves County Residents Against Annexation "
The next meeting will on Friday the 27th of March, 2009 at 6 p.m.

The meeting will be held at the Chaves County Extension Office / Auditorium, 200 East Chisom. Please tell your neighbors, this is not just for those of us in the proposed annexation. Next time it might be you they try to annex.

Here are the highlights of the last meeting (http://www.roswell-record.com/main.asp?SectionID=49&SubSectionID=112&ArticleID=40376&TM=83317.2)

[John M. Cleary]

Just a reminder, there is a meeting next friday evening. The details are on this page and on the front page of Talk Roswell.com .

[John M. Cleary]

One last reminder for the Friday, 27 March 2009 meeting at 6pm. There was an ad in the paper yesterday ( wednesday) and the information is posted in this thread and on the Home Page for Talk Roswell.com

I hope all those interested will attend.

[Daisy]

Thanks, John - I hope there is a big turn out for the meeting! Everyone who is against annexation now or at any time in the future should attend and express their opinion.

[saw]

An article in RDR (3/26/09) "County shows benefits of census count" where it states that San Juan County grew from 113,000 (2000) to an estimated 126,000 in 2005. The 126,000 figure was not an estimated census but a projected number. The just released US census estimate showns San Juan's estimated population at 122,500 a gain of 6.4% (July 1, 2008), a big difference. :no3:

It is true that Farmington has being growing at a fast rate (+11%) from 2000when it became a MSA until 2007 but in period from 1990 to 2000 it also gained 11%.

From 1990 to 2000 Roswell gained only 1% because of the big losses due to TMC and Levi closing down and it only has gained only about 1% since 2000 until 2007.

I wonder if the only gains that Farmington had was another Wal Mart and another chain resturant after it became a MSA?

Chaves County is now estimated to be 63,060 in the 7/1/08 in US census report. That is a gain of 3.7% since the 2000 census (60,792)

[John M. Cleary]

I have to apologize, that I could not attend tonights meeting.....I had a sick family member that I needed to attend too.

I hope that someone who did attend can update the board on what took place.

I will be at the next meeting and I will post its time and date here.

Thanks

John M. Cleary

[saw]

Oops, I made a mistake. :ohwell: Chaves County has increased it's population by 2.7% (+1678) from the 2000 census until the 7/01/08 US census estimates. The 2000 census reported a population of 61,382 and the 7/1/08 estimate indicates that the county has an estimated population of 63,060.

[saw]

The annexation issue will be on the adjenda at the next P&Z committee meeting as an action item. This means that it will be voted on at this meeting.

If the committee approves it, it will then be put on council adjenda maybe as early as the April meeting, (2nd. Thursday in April) but more likely in May.

If the committee votes it down that will be the end of the annexation issue at least for a while.

The P&Z meeting will be Tuesday, April 7, 8AM at the city hall.

We need a good crowd there to oppose the issue.

[John M. Cleary]

SAW,I have a question, since annexation is on the agenda, does Bob Maples have to show up or will it just be submitted, if he bales out again?

Just to remind others, minutes before the March P & Z meeting, that Bob Maples claimed he would attend ( he even put a promise of attendance in the paper) He phoned in and claimed to be unprepared.

This left 3 council members to deal with over 70 concerned citizens!

So Bob Maples, wasted the time of us all........but it wasn't really a waste it was a chance for us to organize and we did.

Now, we will all once again put our own affairs aside to attend this meeting.

I think one reason I'm so upset is that I have moved here and suddenly Bob Maples wants to govern me / US but he won't face me in of all places a planning and zoning meeting,he himself called.

I would imagine Mr Maples knows of this board and he reads it.

Don't wate our time Bob, show up.

[saw]

This is on the agenda as an action item and will have to be voted on even if maples is not there, however the vote could be to table it.

Judy want's to take this to city council.

It is important for us to have a large crowd there to show the P&Z that the petion will fail if they go ahead with it.

The first crowd indicated that the majority does not want to be annexed by a 60 to 1 vote.

We need this kind of show again and be able to express our desires in terms of acres.

If we can get two of the three councimen to vote against it, this would be a dead issue for now.

[John M. Cleary]

I knew they would try something like this, I specifically asked Judy, if this could be rammed through like congress does..........she said no.

Guess my suspicion was right, thats unfortunate, because Judy handled the dissent last time, she took Maples heat, I believed her.

Everyone show up.

[John M. Cleary]

I looked this morning in the Roswell Daily Record, for a announcement of the annexation vote, at Tuesdays Planning and Zoning meeting, I couldn't find it.

I'm not sure if the notification process is 48 hours or two business days?

Just wondering if I missed it or if it can be posted as late as Sunday.

Posted or not though I'll be there Tuesday morning for the 08:00 am meeting.

[saw]

The regular city committee meetings are not required to do a legal advertisment. An agenda must be sent the local media 48 hours prior to the meeting but the media(s) are not obligated to print it nor announce it. You can pick up the agenda at the city hall or view it on their bulleton board.

Some of the time if it is a high interest item you will see it in the paper or hear it on the radio.

[saw]

A reminder, P&Z meeting 8 AM Tuesday morning at the city hall. The annexation move is on the agenda as an action item.

It is best that we have a big crowd there.

[John M. Cleary]

We'll be there, and I intend to let them know, if they annex us I will work to vote all of them out.

[John M. Cleary]

Tuesday morning at 8 am, The Planning and Zoning, will be voting on Annexation as an action item.....This is a very important meeting, we need numbers,so the council knows how we feel about this.

I will be surprised if Mr Maples shows, he didn't last time.

This time however he inserted his plan as an action item, which means they will vote on it, if he shows up or not.

Interesting he wants our numbers but won't or does not want to face us, don't let them annex us without voicing your opinion.

[saw]

It seems that the RDR failed to announce that there is a P&Z meeting Tuesday 8AM at the city hall

Please let everone that you know about the meeting.

This plan, if it goes thru, will not only affect county residence but those in the city also.

If you don't want to pay higher taxes, be at the meeting and tell the P&Z about it.

[John M. Cleary]

Remember tomorrow morning 8 am at Planning and zoning.

We need big numbers, if this time its not your area, next time it will be!

Even with Annexation, there wont be enough local tax or federal ( still YOUR money ), to support police, fire and utility services.

You'll pay and you will get nothing out of it.

See you in the morning.

[Daisy]

Give 'em hell, y'all!! I won't be there, but will be at the RPOA meeting tomorrow night. Hope y'all have a BIG turn out!! :smk3:

[John M. Cleary]

Great News!

For now, we have won, Mr Maples, read a statement regarding his views and then and asked the committie to not proceed with annexation.

The council will still vote on this item on thursday night.

So to be safe it would be a good idea to have numbers there thursday night.

Mr Maples also mentioned bringing the issue back in March of 2010.

Thanks to everyone who participated.

[RPD COP]

Congrats to you John. I take it Mr. Maples must have saw the light and changed his mind? Whatever happened if he asked for the committee to vote no he will probably ask the council to vote no too.

[jsatterfield]

Great News John, was there very many people there in opposition to the annexation? Is this what made Mr. Maples withdraw his plan. :torch::torch:

[saw]

Council chambers was full with many people standing. Maples had already made his mind up prior to the meeting. I saw a copy of his prepared statement. The committtee's recomendation will be just an information item which means that there will not be any voting take place. I have a copy of the agenda and it is not on the agenda.

I think the reason that maples threw in the towel is the other councilmen told him that they would not support the move. Many of the councilmen thinks that the city already has the 50,000 and they might be right when they count the illegals.

I would say that there is no reason to go unless you just want to give Judy(likes to hear herself talk, her indian name)) Stubbs' a crowd to address. However I do think that three or four to represent the CCPAAP would be good. Contact David Knadle (president) to see what the plan will be 627-5753.

After the census count is in (that will be in 2011) they might make a move to annex but that will take two or three years. If the count is above the 50,000 then there will not any reason to do it and if it is below the 50,000 mark there will not be any rush to annnex unless a person or group want's to be annexed.

Dorothy Baker's statement was great!!! Cid was there so I expect to see a good story in the RDR tomorow.

Thanks to everone that showed up this AM.

[Daisy]

Good news, you guys! I look forward to reading all about it in the RDR. :smk3:

[John M. Cleary]

SAW, you are right Dorothy, was awesome!

[Swadlo]

For now, we have won, Mr Maples, read a statement regarding his views and then and asked the committie to not proceed with annexation.

Congrats to you John. I take it Mr. Maples must have saw the light and changed his mind? Whatever happened if he asked for the committee to vote no he will probably ask the council to vote no too.

Great News John, was there very many people there in opposition to the annexation? Is this what made Mr. Maples withdraw his plan

Keep your fingers crossed. Moples did the same thing on two other occasions that I know of.

The Old Conaco building, He voted no to fixing it up. He voted no. and the Memorial Bricks, He voted Yes to holding the Contractors to fix it at no cost to the city. Then stubbs came back and put the items up before the city council again, moples changed his vote. As far as I am concerned, I would not trust moples as far as I could throw him.



One man's opinion
Swadlo

[mfish]

Here's the RDR's take on Maples' bizarre behavior (below).

Swadlo is correct - do NOT trust this man Maples. He shifts with the wind (or the money ...) - however, I do think once the folks in Santa Fe told him how STUPID he was for bringing this issue up at this time, this was the only way for him to "save face" - at least in his eyes. Expound on the virtues of growth, and then pull the plug on his scheme.

Maples might actually suffer from a mental disorder (other than stupidity or idiocy)- if you go back and study his past behavior, including his weird antics while employed at NMMI and during the last time Roswell had to suffer through his "service" as a councilor, you just might concur that the man is touched.


http://www.roswell-record.com/main.asp?SectionID=49&SubSectionID=112&ArticleID=41221

[mfish]

Now think this through ...

If you recall, Maples raised up from the ashes of political hell to "all of a sudden" surface as a council candidate, and there's a whole conspiracy to consider on how he became an "unopposed" candidate, too. The "other candidate" withdrew his name once it was too late for anyone else to enter the race. Presto - Maples was ASSURED a seat on the council - even though his popularity was in the toilet.

Could it be that "they" needed to use Maples for this agenda of annexation? If so, unless there's another agenda "they" need him for, his usefulness as a tool for "them" is over. After all - a "tool" (and Maples is indeed a bonafide TOOL) makes an effective tool only when used as it's intended ...

Also - it will be interesting to see how Maples votes for things like liquor licenses in the future - since his speech spoke to "progress and growth" for Roswell and all ... watch him closely to see if his future actions and votes match his words. That will tell you volumes as to what the real agenda was with this whole fiasco.

[Daisy]

The "other candidate" withdrew his name once it was too late for anyone else to enter the race.

Yeah, that was all a bit too convenient, in my opinion. Like I've stated before, he was the only choice in my ward and I still didn't vote for him. Of course, I didn't have too - it only took one vote (his) for him to be elected. :no3:

I don't trust anyone who shifts with the wind - it's one thing to change your mind, but quite another to have no beliefs, no values and no convictions. As my brother puts it, those people have no core. People like that would sell out their own mothers.

It will be interesting to see how Maples votes on different things.

[John M. Cleary]

Swaldo, MFish,

I know its not over for good..in fact I confronted Mr maples at the meeting and asked if he was still persuing the annexation as a private citizen.

He was very congenial and honestly said, he had been but that it was not a lawful way to do it or he would have.

So I know this is not a dead issue.

We will just be vigilant.

[mfish]

Mr. Cleary -
Maples does not have the personal horsepower to have any impact on anything as a private citizen.

When he left the council the first time - he literally disappeared - of course, his wife had just extorted tens of thousands of dollars from the city through a bogus lawsuit but nonetheless, he went away, and did nothing as a "private citizen."

When the phrase "worthless as teats on a boar" is used, Mr. Maples almost always comes to mind as the personification of that phrase.

[Daisy]

Brutally honest - that's one of the things I like about your postings, mfish!

I'm glad y'all are gonna be vigilant about the annexation business, John. Just keep in mind that some people can NOT be trusted, no matter what they tell you. It seems to me that a few of our council people are only out for themselves and their buddies, so beware..... Some of them have already proven that they don't care what the law says - they want what they want when they want it.

[John M. Cleary]

Hmm, thanks guys, I guess I'm off to a council meeting thursday night and I'm also glad I introduced myself to him.

I thought it was only fair he and I could put a "name with a face".

I figured it would be a continuing issue.

[honeybeezzs]

wow i see alot of men on this issue,,but now im gonna step in as i have nothing but time and my home and land ,also i dont live far off the path of so called city limits,,i cant stand politics and what every one is fighting about,,,but ill tell you this i bought and paid for my place,i have no city rights ,and live a half mile off south main,,and i wanna do with what i want if means a fight count me in !!,,if i get city rights which means running for a office,,lordy all look out,i may not be the last french fry in a happy meal,,,but i bet i make them remeber.

[Daisy]

Hey honeybeezzs, haven't heard from you in awhile! I'm confused, are you for or against (yourself) being annexed into the city limits??

[Swadlo]

Speaking of Moples, when I hear his name I think about the doll with a string. Remember you pull the string and it says what you want it to after you program it. While we are on the subject of "Who Not To Trust" Do not forget Judy Stumpps. She is as dishonest as Moples and several others that I am researching.

The question I am stumped with is why moples and stumpp's comeback NOW. Some one out there has an agenda and needs a couple of "Pull String Dolls"


Watch stumpps as closely as possible. The woman is a city level nancy palusi.
Swadlo

[honeybeezzs]

daisy,,im so against it,,sorry i didnt make that more clear,, ive lived out here almost 20 yrs,seen alot,i own 2 brerendo water meters,,omg ive had people offer to buy mine,,can yall belive that??,,,no i havent posted in a long time,,this is one issue im so strong on.when i belive in something so strong as this i'll speak up.

[Daisy]

Okay, honeybeezzs, I get you now and I'm glad you're speaking up - I wish more people on the forum would!! I don't like politics either, but I think the time has come for us honest, 'regular' people to speak up and say it's not okay for those in power to abuse that power anymore.

"......a city level Nancy Pelosi." Amen, Swadlo!